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Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) #750868 01/25/23 01:53 PM User Showcase
Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 1,031 California Brad Williams OP Expert
OP Brad Williams Expert Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 1,031 California	Biab and the folks on this forum are great! I recently posted this song in an experimental style. Thanks for all the feedback. Dcuny had some particular ideas in mind, which just blew my mind. He asked me to send him my vocal tracks and let him play with the song a bit - what a difference. We swapped a couple of emails and that was it. He came up with the rest of this by himself, with a little help from his son. The only thing I contributed was my original vocals from the original song - he's done the rest. I wanted to post this remix to show off his abilities, and to show people who have a lot to learn yet like me, some of what can be done with these systems. You may or may not like the song, or style, but the point is just how many additional things can happen after you think you may be done. I'll leave my original post up on Soundcloud a while so that people can compare the difference if they choose. I'll also post the stuff that David did at the bottom here. Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production) Messiah, I lift you higher and praise your holy name. ‘Cause you came, and you forgave, and you saved and set me free. Oh Messiah, you are the Lord. You are the one I’m living for. Oh Messiah, you are my king and your kingdom reigns forevermore. Messiah, I’ll never tire of lifting you in praise. ‘Cause you died, and rose again, then you took my sin from me. Oh Messiah, you are the Lord. You are the one I’m living for. Messiah, you are my king, and your kingdom reigns forevermore. Oh Messiah. Oh Messiah, you are the Lord. You are the one I’m living for. Messiah, you are my king, and your kingdom reigns forevermore. Oh Messiah. Messiah. Oh Messiah. Messiah. Oh messiah. The style is _CHARLOT.STY (Charlotte Funk Pop Rock). The main drums are MIDI tracks from the UJAM's DEEP drum "Acoustic Love" style, using UJAM's SOLID drumkit. I lost track of a couple RealTracks - specifically the 12 string guitars - but most of the RealTracks are: ~1437:Piano, Electric, Rhythm JazzFunkGroovin Ev16 110 ~684:Bass, Electric, PopHalfNotesSync Ev 120 2929:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm PopFunkyJoe Ev16 110 1771:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm JazzFunkMovinMuted Ev16 130 3768:Guitar, 12-String Electric, Rhythm ModernPopBrent Ev 120 3711:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm 90sJamRockGroovin16ths Ev16 110 ~1435:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm JazzFunkGroovinChords Ev16 110 ~1436:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm JazzFunkGroovinMute Ev16 110 3648:Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm IndieFolkPush Ev16 110 794:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm ModernCountrySync Ev 100 850:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm NashvillePopClean Ev 120 1851:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopShiningGrittyA-B Ev 120 3587:Bass, Electric, NashvilleRadioPopPushAB Ev 110 4220:Bass, Electric, SoulRock70sAB Ev 100 ~684:Bass, Electric, PopHalfNotesSync Ev 120 4318:Piano, ElectricClav, Rhythm FunkFast16thsKevin Ev16 120 403:Sax, Tenor, Motown Rock Ev 120 SouthernPopEv16^01-HtSnr,OpHtS CongasEv16[single] [Multi] Most of the guitars are set in stereo pairs, using similar feels but different RealTracks. The lead vocal was routed to two additional tracks for parallel compression and reverb. Effects Chain: Master Track: Ozone 10 Elements Lead Vocal: Melodyne, Greg Wells VoiceCentric (Delay), Blockfish De-esser Lead Vocal Compression: RealEQ, Magma BB Tube, Vulf Compressor Lead Vocal Reverb: ReaEQ, Neutron 4 Elements, SunsetSound Reverb, LX 480 Essentials Reverb Extra Vox Left: LX 480 Essentials Reverb Extra Vox Right: LX 480 Essentials Reverb Harmony Left: Melodyne, LX 480 Essentials Reverb Harmony Right: Melodyne, LX 480 Essentials Reverb Bass: Neutron 4 Essentials MIDI Drums: UJAM Deep, Neutron 4 Essentials More Percussion: EZ Mix (Reverb) Timbales: Neutron 4 Essentials, EZ Mix (Reverb) Tambourine: EZ Mix2, TrackSpacer Drums: TrackSpacer, EZMix 2 Rhythm Guitar: TrackSpacer Funky Rhythm Guitar 1 Left: ReaEQ, EZMix 2 Funky Rhythm Guitar 2 Right: ReaEQ, EZMix 2 Single String Guitar: ReaEQ, Neutron 4 Elements Rhythm Guitar Left: TrackSpacer, ReaEQ, Neutron 4 Elements Rhythm Guitar Right: TrackSpacer, ReaEQ, Neutron 4 Elements 12 String Guitar: Neutron 4 Elements, TrackSpacer, Pedals (Chorus, Delay) Chime Guitar: ReaEQ, EZMix 2 Power Chord Guitar Left: ReaEQ Power Chord Guitar Right: ReaEQ Electric Piano: TrackSpacer Sax Solo: Neutron 4 Elements, LX 480 Essentials Reverb https://soundcloud.com/user-722422510/tracks

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750881 01/25/23 04:46 PM User Showcase
Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 2,353 Heartland, USA firesong Veteran
firesong Veteran Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 2,353 Heartland, USA	Brad and David...there is definitely a difference here...I notice the depth of the music and vocal...it's now a deeper and richer soundscape...love the sax! and I can hear some pitch correction (good ol' Melodyne)...everyone needs pitch correction now and then...much, much better IMHO...great collaboration! I love this forum for this and many other reasons. www.soundclick.com/firesong BiaB 2024, Steinberg Cubase Pro 13, Wavelab 11.2, SpetraLayers Pro 10, Audacity, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Yamaha Genos, Roland FP60 and FP10, Windows 10 You are who you are because you do what you do because of what you believe.

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750884 01/25/23 05:03 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,192 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,192 Cooran Queensland Australia	It's certainly a crisper, busier arrangement & mix. Both need some de-essing & it's more an issue in the update - the crisper overall tone accentuates it a little. I think your mix, whilst mellower & less lively, has a more funk tone while the update is more vibrant Caribbean feel. It is amazing how a different set of ears will go in different directions. Well done both of you. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750893 01/25/23 05:24 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 2,060 Mill Valley, California USA D Deej56 Veteran
Deej56 Veteran D Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 2,060 Mill Valley, California USA	Brad, I listened to this after listening and writing my comments on your first song. David did a wonderful job on the remix . . . actually, a masterful job . . . and that’s understating it even then. What a dramatic difference. I’m listening with my headphones on, and the panning of the vocal s on that chorus is just terrific. Great stuff! All my best to you, Deej

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750925 01/26/23 03:38 AM User Showcase
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,947 Ontario, Canada BlueAttitude Veteran
BlueAttitude Veteran Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,947 Ontario, Canada	David did a fine for you I think, Brad. This sounds really good! Favorite parts are the chorus, the way that is panned and sits in the mix, and also the sax. But yeah, a lot of tracks happening with this but it doesn't sound muddy or overdone. Nice collaboration! Dave Blue Attitude Website Blue Attitude YouTube channel

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750949 01/26/23 06:42 AM User Showcase
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 4,335 Florida tommyad Veteran
tommyad Veteran Joined: May 2011 Posts: 4,335 Florida	I listened to them back to back. Davids version is an improvement. I also hear the auto tune on the vocal but only in one spot. The rest of the vocal sounds great. It is a bit busy but the mix holds up remarkably well. Good collabarative effort and a big well done to you both, Tom

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750961 01/26/23 07:59 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,808 3rd rock from the sun B.D.Thomas Veteran
B.D.Thomas Veteran Joined: Jul 2022 Posts: 2,808 3rd rock from the sun	There's a reason why there are still people who make money mixing songs ... less so these days because labels don't take risks anymore, but still. I wrote in your old post that the song has potential, and I think I was right. It's still a bit too busy for my taste, but panning most of the tracks hard left/right and giving them some EQ love makes everything cleaner and your voice gets more room to live. I like it (and think you owe David a beer or three ). Goldmania Bella Listen on Spotify Watch on YouTube Buy on Amazon

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750973 01/26/23 09:23 AM User Showcase
Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 1,031 California Brad Williams OP Expert
OP Brad Williams Expert Joined: Feb 2022 Posts: 1,031 California	Glad you gave it a second try Dan. I really liked that sax too. When I originally wrote the song I thought some sort of horns would be good, I just didn't have the guts to try it. I agree with you Ray. More ears are one of the great things about this forum. Thanks for the comments. Boy have you got that right Deej! When I first heard what David had done with the BGV's I was floored. Thanks for the comment Dave, and yeah I think I'm still over my head with this genre. I may give it a try sometime in the future with a completely different style - for now though, I've got the fork stuck in it. Hey there Tom, thanks for giving it a listen. I don't have Melodyne, but after hearing what David was able to do with it I think it's on my wish list. B.D., I think you're right! https://soundcloud.com/user-722422510/tracks

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #750996 01/26/23 12:44 PM User Showcase
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,443 North Carolina David Snyder Veteran
David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,443 North Carolina	Yeah this version sounds cool!! David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #751058 01/27/23 05:42 AM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 15,964 GA USA Janice & Bud Veteran
Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 15,964 GA USA	We missed version one so no comparo but this is certainly well done. Good, almost trance like message. From reading the posts it sounds like you had fun experimenting before landing it here. Whatever we do, Janice, like you, always has a bit of country sound to her vocal if for no other reason than her accent. David done ya good! Enjoyed it! J&B Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #751078 01/27/23 07:29 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 5,626 United States Torrey Bliss Veteran
Torrey Bliss Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 5,626 United States	Brad and David, This is an example of how collaborations can really open doors to new ideas for songs that we would never think of on our own! Brad your vocal still sounds great and has a true worshipful sound to it! You wrote a great praise and worship song here! David really stepped up with a lot of excellent ideas and implemented them with a professional sound! The mix sounds great, and the instrumentation David added really makes the song come alive! The song has a big, beautiful sound that is a pleasure to listen to! I enjoyed it! Take care, T https://torreybliss.bandcamp.com/

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) Brad Williams #751081 01/27/23 08:08 AM User Showcase
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,142 Sacramento, California dcuny Veteran
dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,142 Sacramento, California	Thanks all for the positive responses. It was a lot of fun, and a great song. I'd like to thank Brad for being open to letting me play around with his song. It takes a level of trust to let someone rearrange your song, and honestly, I'm certainly not as open to suggestions on my own songs as he was. There's probably a lesson there for me to learn here, if only I could figure out what it is. This song would be better served by an even leaner arrangement - I'm yet to learn how not to overstuff an arrangement. And I was also a bit heavy-handed with the pitch correction at times, so thanks for being kind about that. The best option is always to re-record, but I wanted to see how far I could go with just editing the vocal. Thanks again to Brad, and everyone who's commented. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing? BiaB 2025 \| Windows 11 \| Reaper \| Way too many VSTis.

Re: Messiah - Version 2 (Dcuny production!) dcuny #751118 01/27/23 12:29 PM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,286 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,286 Hamlin NY	David, you made Brad's song really pop! Loved those drums and percussion. The sax was icing on the cake. Great vocal and mix. Principal: Your child always causes trouble in school. Me: My child causes trouble at home, do I ever call you? 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

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