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+1 but you're way behind user Bob Calver's +++ request +++ from 2020.
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You can put the vst3shell folder by it's self and just point the Plugin Manager there to scan. So this way other apps that use VST3 won't scan them on startup when scanning the VST2 folder. It seems to work fine for me, did anyone eles try their VST3 Plugs with this in Biab ? 
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Melodyne 5 VST3 
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Musocity, Good to know that alternative exists. However, native VST3 support would be a much better solution 
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I couldn´t aggree more Rusty.
No more working around basic needs of the time.
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Sure obviously like everything else suggested here, that would be the best I totally agree, but just keep this up your sleeve as you may very well need it tomorrow, I'm not saying that PG won't get around to doing it as they are very quick these days to implement things usually within the next update or two, as they are very enthusiastic in their development to keep up with other softaware, aren't they ?
At least today no matter what PG do or don't do you do have an option to use VST3, like right now, quit easily and simple without major "workarounds", it's a lot easier than using Element and hooking up audio and midi lines, that has to be a good thing I would say.
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The BBPlugin is scaleable. Anything that's good I praise, if I say it needs something I back it up by doing it myself and showing it CAN be done, that's why you have them: PG Music is on the right track. The new features introduced in the recent years, are extremely sexy. To name a few, Volume Automation, SynthMaster, Partial Regen, MultiRiffs, Chord Track, Playable RealTracks. These are life savers. Where did they come from ? many many post going way back and me actually doing these things with real demos. All these things are new to most users but they go way back with me. It took a hell of a lot of time and effort over the years with all this. If I point this stuff out I have very good reason to as it's the major reason why it's in the state it's in. I think users don't speak up enough and are complicit in it's state, what's that about "when good men do nothing". If you isolate yourself from everything else you're bound to be behind. This would also have to be bashing. Bashing PG would be "Biab is useless use Reaper it's better", wouldn't I just be over in the Reaper forum if that was the case and not waste so many years here casting pearls. "For whom God loves He chastens"
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Musocity,
The list you refer to is solid. I was pleasantly surprised to see Ueberschall mentioned. Difference is it was offered without sarcasm.
Absolutely BIAB (and plugin) need a lot of things done to be whole. But... I believe the priority should be given to items that must be done (VST3 for example), known bugs and limitations addressed and unfinished features completed with aim to improve workflow, getting rid of redundant methods on the way. And when BIAB is slimmer and smoother think of other features to add.
Most developers, when come up with a new feature that supersedes existent, get rid of previous method. In my view, redundancy is the biggest issue with BIAB. They spend enormous resources of time tackling bugs, many of which are related to redundant methods, instead of spending that time focusing on coherency and workflow.
BIAB is a very capable software, but time is ripe to invest in maintenance and 80k mile tune up.
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Musocity,
Most developers, when come up with a new feature that supersedes existent, get rid of previous method. In my view, redundancy is the biggest issue with BIAB. They spend enormous resources of time tackling bugs, many of which are related to redundant methods, instead of spending that time focusing on coherency and workflow.
That's an interesting hypothesis. I think limitation of the core functions is the biggest issue, followed by user interface issues, but I do agree with you that BIAB creates new ways of doing things and does not remove the old. The only positive I could say about that is that we know users here have very different skills and goals and prefer all different kinds of workflow. Taking away something that they are familiar with and that they rely upon, even if for a better feature, might be unnecessarily difficult for them. Those of us who are active here and discuss the features that are needed may not be the best judge of that question. I think I would settle for making everything work, even if there is redundancy, but I do value your point.
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Yes there's too much bloat, that's why I say look to the Plugin for a fresh start, without all the old limitation in the code. I don't think there's much hope for me as I'm too worn out and bitter from all the trauma and old Biab derangement syndrome. When I started with Biab trying to use it in a professional way back in 2009 it was hard and frustrating to get what you need. See the new user, he uses it for backing sound for anime, he has a golden opportunity NOW in 2023 because Biab is working so much better and there's a good chance he won't develop any trauma or derangement syndrome  So me being here for all those years with my nagging sarcasm to get things fixed or added may have just saved that user's life Forget about me I'm too far gone  Look at this demo, OMG if I could do that back in 2009 I would be a totally sane human being now: Watch: https://www.dropbox.com/s/scocx8sgyoa0b29/BB23-Rewir-Reaper-EZDrummer.mp4?dl=0 
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That's an interesting hypothesis. I think limitation of the core functions is the biggest issue, followed by user interface issues, but I do agree with you that BIAB creates new ways of doing things and does not remove the old. The only positive I could say about that is that we know users here have very different skills and goals and prefer all different kinds of workflow. Taking away something that they are familiar with and that they rely upon, even if for a better feature, might be unnecessarily difficult for them. .............
Yes that is true Matt. But remember when Cakewalk transitioned from Pro Audio to Sonar? A lot of people complained very loudly about how Cakewalk messed up a good thing and they had to change their workflows. Then a couple of months later they all were praising Cakewalk for the rewrite. Just my two cents.
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Matt, Mario You support my wish for BIAB VST3 native support right? --- A vivid and most recent example of what I am talking about is F8 and Alt+F8. Why not make it a "one" place? And perhaps with nicer graphics / layout? Do it right once and foggetaboutit. And if you have to come back to it to add or change things, comeback to "one" place, not worrying about something that was left behind. P.S. Mario, U2 joke is funny!
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Matt, Mario You support my wish for BIAB VST3 native support right? -........................... P.S. Mario, U2 joke is funny! Yes I support it. +1 I thought that joke was funny also!
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Is it only me that thinks there should be no need for a "native VST3 support" in the wish-list.
As the situation now is with VSTs, it really must be a given.
Mustn't it?
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VST4 is about to be released.
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G.Scott, I agree with you. The wish is to do it ASAP and not wait till water starts to boil As of now, it's getting pretty hot.
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My comment wasn't a criticism of the wish but the observation that it should not be needed to be wished. I'm a little shocked that PGM released a VST3 plugin without offering support for VST3 within their own product.
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"it should not be needed to be wished" You're right, but I had to wish for 10 years to get biab to send vst sync and that was a normal industry standard thing. This was extremely hard to get but opened a whole new world when implemented. This is Biab syncing with FL Studio and Reaper, see the small FL vst that syncs the main app to any DAW, that's what Biab could of had and still have but there's so much resistance for the bleeding obvious. Users where asking for 15 years for Rewire but as soon as the vst sync was fixed the Rewire vst worked with RealBand but not Biab until the new Plugin system was added. It a shame as many of those asking for Rewire over the years have left us, I just hope they are looking down now seeing it working: 
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