Well thump, I'm going to reply again because I think this is a good discussion and I'm in agreement with you.

There seems to be some confusion in other areas about when a song is ready to be posted on the forum and what shape it needs to be in and that type of thing.

I disagree with a lot of that has been said on those other forum threads. As far as I can tell the single greatest market for band in a box is for songwriters and the process of writing a song is a very difficult one, especially if you want to write something that's different, out of the ordinary, interesting and surprising. The operative word being surprising: people like to be surprised.

It takes a lot of experimentation and work to break out of the same old same old and the ruts that are easy to fall back into and write something that's original. As you know it's extremely difficult.

But the beauty of the forum is there are a lot of really really good songwriters on here who are trying to do the same thing and so sharing works while they're in progress warts and all is a good way to figure out if you're even barking up the right tree.

Then you have a way of finding the things you've done right and wrong, getting rid of the things you've done wrong, focusing on the things you've done right and striving to have a better and more original song.

That's what I'm using the forum for and that's why I find the forum feedback from fellow songwriters to be so valuable.

Once I have finished the song then I can start to worry about my collection of vsts and parallel compression, side chaining, ducking, gain matching, and total balance control.

P.S. I think the song you are talking about is make me love again...:)