Yes there have been some interesting notions expressed here.

My main goal as the OP was to throw out some observations.

1.) As I understand it, the Showcase is a place to experiment and throw out ideas and even working tapes as SONGWRITERS. I never expected this to be a place for final productions.

I do not post final productions here, ever. I showcase works in progress as a user of the PG products, for feedback, from other songwriters I respect.

2.) A final production of an in-tune vocal of a complete piece of crap is still a professionally tuned piece of crap.

3.) If I were a customer, I could possibly be more alarmed by the presence of a song called: "Smell My Dirty Sweet Little Japanese Socks: An Orgiastic Opera" than I would be by a lack of autotune. That might lead, in fact, to the great depression.

4.) Whenever someone bellows that they know everything about a professional mix but have nothing to show for it I can also almost guarantee with 100% accuracy that what they will post will be the worst thing you have ever heard and that you will want to stick pencils in your ears so you will never have to hear any sound ever again as long as you live.

4.5) The people who seem to say "this is nowhere near to being a professional mix" are always missing two major points:

A.) That is not why I post here, or many others I assume.

B.) They themselves probably have a greater chance of having Jesus fly down and personally escort them to their right-hand seat in the Kingdom than they have of ever producing a professional sounding song themselves.

5.) A song has a LOT more to it than the proper choice of a VST and an AI vocalist to go with an AI lyric (or a lyric that sounds like one.)

6.) Real songwriters know exactly what #5 means and people who will never write a good song will always have no clue.

7.) I enjoy the opportunity to hear what EVERYONE is doing because raw creativity always sparks something in me, and makes me more creative, whether it is perfect pitch or not.

8.) Anyone can grab a jazz demo and sing a four note perfectly tuned melody to it. But does anyone care? Still, they are welcome, as everyone is. They should just be the most careful of all with Glass House Syndrome.

9.) I have a great deal of fondness for 99.9999% of the people I have met here, but there are a few who really need to get a life.

10.) The real world is looking for great songs, sung with feeling. That takes talent. And that you cannot buy.

But, you can gain friendship by being gracious towards others and having a realistic outlook on your own abilities.

That is what I was saying, and it was not a straw man argument, just a few thoughts on "Let's Get Real."