Originally Posted By: David Snyder
Not a straw man argument. Not even an argument, just observations.

People use that straw man thing a lot I guess because it sounds good, but look it up and see what it means. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Definitions:

A straw man argument is the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that extreme version. (Link)

Often this fallacy involves putting words into somebody's mouth by saying they've made arguments they haven't actually made, in which case the straw man argument is a veiled version of argumentum ad logicam. (Link)

You started this thread by writing:
Originally Posted By: David Snyder
So, in line with the recent discussions on pitch correction in another thread...

I did not use Melodyne.

I just stepped up to a mic and sang it with my heart.

You implied that the notion of singing without Melodyne and singing from your heart is somehow counter to what people in the pitch correction thread said.

But nowhere did anyone suggest that you should never sing without Melodyne. Nigel, who started the thread, doesn't use Melodyne on himself.

And no one has suggested that you shouldn't sing from your heart, or that vocal delivery isn't important.

Similarly, you wrote:
Originally Posted By: David Snider
1.) Your vocal can't possibly work so I guess you'll have to use that AI girl Natalie...

2.) Why don't you just join the crowd and mind your manners, and sing some faux jazz...

"Hey I know I am wearing an avatar mask..."

These "observations" are not accurate representative of what people on this forum have said.

You also wrote:
Originally Posted By: David Snider
These are things a VST cannot touch. To dwell on them at the expense of all else it simply nuts

I'm not seeing anyone who's suggested people should use a VST "at the expense of all else."

That's why I used the term "straw man". I'm looking to see who these people are that are disagreeing with you and... not really finding them.

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Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

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