Hello, I have never heard a song anywhere that had a melody created by the melodist, so since 2022 I have created over 1400 AABA MGU`s with a few simple RT styles.
I still have the following problems with Release 1010 under Win 11 pro: 1. "Melodist Jukebox" stops after the first song.
2. Rt styles are not loaded. Midi styles only.(manual reload helps)
3. Melodist Edit Femster "5" will not be accepted in the tempo indications. (e.g.: 105 becomes 104)
4. Change Melodist File does not open the list of soloists but the last opened one.
5. Melodist does not create usable melodies or chord progressions outside of AABA song form. (e.g.: 12 bar blues, verses with odd bars....) I was hoping that the parameter for changing the instrument might do something, but it didn't. And yes, I tried to regenerate individual parts manually.
6. None of the 217 melodists seem able to deliver a musical melody out of the box. Disabling the "change the melodist" function results in the melodies sounding less interesting, but helps to connect the offered melody fragments more quickly to usable melodies.Then you can try to reactivate them to get more interesting suggestions. Here it could be helpful if BiaB would recognize which part I am working on and only make further suggestions that make sense melodically. E.g.: I have an 8 bar chord progression, but I want to change the beginning (bar 1), then BiaB should only offer me changes that are suitable for starting the melody. For example, an 8 bar chord progression could be structured like this: Bars 1-2 = theme ; Bars 3-4 = theme variation (energy increase) with half cadence ending; Bars 5-6 = new theme; Bars 7-8 Topic ends with full cadence.
7. Super minimalist documentation. The manual says less about the functions than the popup help for the individual settings.
8. The reharmonist regularly chops up great tunes with terrible chord progressions. It seems he doesn't like to reharminate the melodist with himself.
9. It would be nice if there was a checkbox for using the Vocal Wizard function within the Melodist window.
The songs I have made contain around 700 really great ideas that are worth working on. Unfortunately, it is necessary to correct a lot manually. Some of the melodies occasionally get "ghost notes" that need to be erased. Very often the melodies have to be transposed, but the function for this is hidden deep in the menus. Right click with mouse after selecting the area to be transposed would be great, Hotkey for "Melody transpose in range" great.
I think that's enough points to test for now. What are your experiences?
Some examples i did made with the Melodist and "HalionSonic Noisy Tenor Sax" and "_Strong.STY" :
................................ 6. None of the 217 melodists seem able to deliver a musical melody out of the box.
......................................
FWIW - I have never hear a "musical melody out of the box" from any software program. Maybe there is some out there but I have never heard one write a good complete song yet. YMMV
IMHO it takes a human to write musical melodies. I should add that I have heard some non-musical melodies from humans also.
The melodist, as well as other music generating programs, are good a producing a section or two of notes that one can build melodies. That is how I use both the melodist and soloist.
I got banned from Weight Watchers for dropping a bag of M&Ms on the floor. It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
................................ 6. None of the 217 melodists seem able to deliver a musical melody out of the box.
......................................
FWIW - I have never hear a "musical melody out of the box" from any software program. Maybe there is some out there but I have never heard one write a good complete song yet. YMMV
IMHO it takes a human to write musical melodies. I should add that I have heard some non-musical melodies from humans also.
The melodist, as well as other music generating programs, are good a producing a section or two of notes that one can build melodies. That is how I use both the melodist and soloist.
have you listened to some of my examples? They`re all biaB melodist songs. I love your great footnotes.
have you listened to some of my examples? They`re all biaB melodist songs.
I listened to several of the examples. In my view there is a mechanical feel to the melody and it is either predictable, or completely non-predictable. Certainly not convincing melodies (in my view).
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
hey "Audiotrack" thanks for listening. Does your criticism mean that you were able to achieve better results with the melodist? It is well considered that the examples are pure selections and not further editing of the melody parts by a human being. This means that only the melodist worked here and what went best was spared from regeneration. A comparison to human-written melodies may not be relevant (maybe not yet) I'm looking for tips and tricks to improve the results. Preferably something you can hear, of course.
Hello, I have never heard a song anywhere that had a melody created by the melodist ...
I could be completely wrong, but I've always assumed many of the PG Music demo songs were created that way. Some of the demo songs even contain very recognizable chord progressions from standards, since that is not copyrightable, with unique melodies they add. The combination IS copyrightable, and they have done so.
But I don't think we know for certain where all those melodies came from.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Hello, I have never heard a song anywhere that had a melody created by the melodist ...
I could be completely wrong, but I've always assumed many of the PG Music demo songs were created that way. Some of the demo songs even contain very recognizable chord progressions from standards, since that is not copyrightable, with unique melodies they add. The combination IS copyrightable, and they have done so.
But I don't think we know for certain where all those melodies came from.
Hi Matt, I don't have melodies for most of the demo songs. I think you have the artist performance demos in mind? Have you ever played with the melodist?
My hope was to start something like a competition here. It would be great to hear from you BiaB professionals what you can get out of the Melodist. Maybe we can use it to uncover program errors and share ways to better deal with BiaB. Just hearing "good song examples" would help me to recognize the limitations of the melodist. I have created about 700 songs with the Melodist and was surprised how high the variability of a single melodist can be. However, I am not able to predict whether further changing my results would not bring an improvement. A few sample songs would be a kind of benchmark.
So you're all invited to measure your Melodist songs against mine. For those who don't have the xpro4 pak and therefore can't use the _Strong.sty, _Popmhrt.sty is an alternative.
Please become active and surprise me with facts and share your experiences with me.
hey "Audiotrack" thanks for listening. Does your criticism mean that you were able to achieve better results with the melodist?
To be absolutely honest, I have never used the melodist (nor soloist). I only ever write my own. Incidentally, I wasn't criticizing your work, just commenting on the mechanical feel of the melodist, but I guess you know that already
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
@audiotrack, as a musician I love criticism! Preferably constructive criticism.
I'm trying to encourage a more interactive exchange of experiences here. Maybe I can motivate one or the other to participate? I think it would be great if that worked.
So everything is OK, more criticism please! That's about 20 Melodist creations, all of which were created within about 1 hour. You can probably get better results with a little more work. However, the most meaningful are the results without further manual processing! I think the effort of about 30 minutes for 2-3 AABA-form songs is manageable?
I usually use the melodist in the following manner.
1. Create a chord sheet to my liking.
2. Add my lyrics (bar based.) (Pop open a beer)
3. Test a few melodist I think will sound decent. (Drink second beer)
4. Open the piano roll and move a few notes around to adjust the melody more to what I hear in my head. (Have my second beer, no wait third)
5. Shorten, lengthen, add, and delete notes till they fit my lyrics better (Hate it and start over.) (bink another dreer)
6. Rinse and repeat till I get something I like.
7. Take a nap I suddenly feel tired
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
Hello Rob, Thank you for your feedback and Prosit.
Did I understand you correctly? So you use the Melodist to provide your chord progression with a suitable melody?
How satisfied are you with the performance of the program? I'm having trouble with the melodists getting a good result on forms other than AABA. Do you have a suggestion for me please?
It is never perfect. It requires some work. Looking at the melody in connection with the lyrics. Adding missing notes. Subtracting extra notes.
I look at it this way. If I had to create a melody from scratch i would spend hours adding and moving notes around. Matching them up to the lyrical needs. At the minimum the melodist gives me a starting place. Sometimes I need to try different melodist and settings.
I think some we (myself definitely included) expect to much from software. I do carpentry work and I never expect my tool box to hang a door. They are just tools I am the craftsman.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
My experience reinforces exactly what Rob reported above.
The BIAB Melodist worked well for me, at first. But, the songs actual melody may be better consider "inspired by the BIAB Melodist" rather than written by the BIAB Melodist.
Once I heard a couple different options I settled on this Melody and began working on how to integrate my lyrics into the music. The BIAB melody, as written, is shown below and is used in the opening 8 bars of the song. After that my vocals take over the melody. The issue I had was not so much the notes themselves but rather the timeing. As you see in the picture the BIAB melody is way behind the beat. As a result when I tried to add drums and bass and sing, the off timing of the melody caused a problem. I needed to do a lot of adjustment in the midi editor.
Bottom line. I used the Melodist only as an ispiration for the melody. After that I had to created the adjustments I needed. But I was happy with the results overall.
BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud (Tip: No need to create a SC account to hear music - just hit ESC ).
Thank you Rob and MusicStudent for your contributions.
I apologize for my problem in expressing myself more clearly. You've already arrived at the step of producing songs. I would like to stay with the step of finding ideas.
The melodist can create chord progressions and melodies together for an RT style.
My examples above are the result with the "_Strong.STY". The sax plays a vocal part just without lyrics.
These are not complete songs! The format is more like: Intro; Verse; Chorus; 1/2 Verse; Ending
However, it is important to note that these are results in which neither the melody nor the chords have been edited! These are results produced by the melodist.
The aim was to get ideas for interesting combinations of chord progressions and melodies. That's what you can hear above. From these ideas I choose the best ones and only then do I create the song.
With this topic I would like to get and share tips for improving and understanding how the Melodist works. Maybe you think a little differently about the examples above? Please let me know.
Hi I use it sometimes for a starting point for songs and a melody when the creative well is dry!!!! not for lyrics, but phrases however if you change chords which I do. the melody creator will not make music sense and maybe the reason is, it's not following a standard progression, I am very limited in music theory perhaps there's a pool of instructions it follows. I'm sure!!! however realtracks did work in later versions.. creating chord progressions with reatracks. why not improve it!! just saying there's a lot of talented people on PG team so the medalist and chord builder I use together great working tools thanks to PG my 2 cents
AMD (TM) 5950 4.9 GHz 16Core Processor 64 bit 32 bits of ram windows 10 pro 64 bit os. sound card Antelope ZenQ guitars Ibanez 2202a 1968 les Paul Custom and Cavin ae 185 Guitar boss Gt-100,GT1000 pedal Yamaha HS8 studio monitors
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
One of our representatives will be happy to help you over the phone. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday, and 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST Saturday. We are closed Sunday. You can also send us your questions via email.
One of our representatives will be happy to help you on our Live Chat or by email. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday; 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST (GMT -8) Saturday; Closed Sunday.
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean