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My workspace up until now has been putting my laptop on my dresser drawer, an SM57 w/ boom arm, and a MCA SP1 condenser mic balanced within one of the dressers. My aim is to set something up something cheap and basic, yet that can provide professional results. I only really need to record voice, acoustic guitar, and plugged guitars (bass, electric guitar). Looking for tips on how to best utilize my space to create professional recordings. Can anyone point me in the right direction to get started? - like what might be the best way to arrange my room for recording music? Where to put sound deadening panels? Best way to setup a vocal booth in my closet? My plan currently is to:Build a desk, to go right next to the closet. There's about 73 inches (185cm) from the closet to the bed, so I was thinking of using most of that space for a desk (~70 inch desk). Rig up some sort of vocal booth in the closet. Use hanging clothes as sound insulation, and perhaps put egg cartons on the walls all around the hanging clothes. Open to suggestions if there is a better solution. Not sure what else to do in the room to ensure good results. Any suggestions? Here are pics of the space: https://imgur.com/a/5X5b45R https://imgur.com/a/TuWGP29 Alternate bed positioning: https://imgur.com/a/K06h8T1 https://imgur.com/a/Yr53QLf https://imgur.com/a/TDQFhUx
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You can get professional results in the bedroom.
However... The closet as a vocal booth is not really necessary and don't waste your time with egg cartons on the wall. They're totally ineffective as sound treatment. Generally, your bedroom should be acceptable unless you live near a busy road or a motorcycle clubhouse. Carpet, furniture, curtains, impact the sound of the room. You don't want it too live or too dead sounding. Look for the middle ground. All of my vocal tracks are recorded in a room with very little acoustic treatment and most with my fan running and animals outside making animal noises. Listen carefully to some of my songs and you might hear dogs and chickens and possibly goats. I try to eliminate the obvious ones with a retake punch.
I'd spend the money on a condenser mic and a good audio interface. Good monitor speakers or mixing specific headphones are a necessity. You need to hear the music as accurately as possible
Then, learn as much as possible about recording and mixing. The best treated room with millions of dollars invested in state of the art gear in the hands of a beginner will sound like crap while at the same time a bare bones laptop and mic in the hands of a professional will sound amazing.
My philosophy has been to buy the right equipment for me to get the job done and then learn how to use it most effectively.
And don't overlook the ability of band in a box to provide you with professional level backing tracks for your project. Then all you need to do is lay down a good vocal track on top of the instruments.
There's a lot of people here that can help. Listen to the music in the showcase and ask questions. Post your music and ask questions specifically about the mix, and listen to the advice given.
That is my 2¢ worth for now
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 05/03/23 02:00 AM.
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Consider subscribing to the magazine, Recording. They do regular features about setting up studios, including equipment and sound treatment. Their archives will have lots of articles that would apply to you.
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You can get professional results in the bedroom…
… don't overlook the ability of band in a box to provide you with professional level backing tracks for your project. Then all you need to do is lay down a good vocal track on top of the instruments.
That is my 2¢ worth for now +1
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I do all of my recordings in a totally untreated room. My approach was to get good near field monitors, a good audio interface, and a DAW. By good I do not mean expensive. You can get the good monitors and audio interface for a reasonable price. Any DAW will do and if you a PC and you have or get Band-in-a-Box it comes with a DAW. I record my acoustic and electric guitars directly into my DAW: Amp syms have come a long way and can sound really good. My acoustic guitars are plugged directly into my DAW via either the built in electrics or a tuning piezo pickup. I can get virtually any guitar sound I want using effects in my DAW. I use the following for my dynamic and condenser mics, again I don't have expensive mics: https://www.amazon.com/Microphone-Adjustable-Constructed-Industrial-High-Density/dp/B07BCLLBSN/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=microphone%2Bshield&qid=1683121048&sr=8-5&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/penypeal-Microphone-Sound-Absorbing-Effectively-Reflections/dp/B09TPP3FLZ/ref=sr_1_31?keywords=microphone+shield&qid=1683121048&sr=8-31https://www.amazon.com/Focusrite-Scarlet...76649&psc=1https://www.amazon.com/KRK-RP4G3-Perform...204&sr=1-10Also note that there are lots of good free effects and amp syms available as well as some very good inexpensive ones. Also as been mentioned using Band-in-a-Box (BiaB) can produce professional sounding backing tracks, even at the lowest price point as the engine is identical in all versions of BiaB. The difference in the BiaB versions is the amount of RealTracks, Realdrums, and styles. I started out and currently am recording with low to middle of the road priced equipment, software, and guitars. YMMV
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Thanks! I'll check these links out.
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You can get professional results in the bedroom.
However... The closet as a vocal booth is not really necessary and don't waste your time with egg cartons on the wall. They're totally ineffective as sound treatment. Generally, your bedroom should be acceptable unless you live near a busy road or a motorcycle clubhouse. Carpet, furniture, curtains, impact the sound of the room. You don't want it too live or too dead sounding. Look for the middle ground. All of my vocal tracks are recorded in a room with very little acoustic treatment and most with my fan running and animals outside making animal noises. Listen carefully to some of my songs and you might hear dogs and chickens and possibly goats. I try to eliminate the obvious ones with a retake punch.
I'd spend the money on a condenser mic and a good audio interface. Good monitor speakers or mixing specific headphones are a necessity. You need to hear the music as accurately as possible
Then, learn as much as possible about recording and mixing. The best treated room with millions of dollars invested in state of the art gear in the hands of a beginner will sound like crap while at the same time a bare bones laptop and mic in the hands of a professional will sound amazing.
My philosophy has been to buy the right equipment for me to get the job done and then learn how to use it most effectively.
And don't overlook the ability of band in a box to provide you with professional level backing tracks for your project. Then all you need to do is lay down a good vocal track on top of the instruments.
There's a lot of people here that can help. Listen to the music in the showcase and ask questions. Post your music and ask questions specifically about the mix, and listen to the advice given.
That is my 2¢ worth for now Thanks Guitarhacker - I agree, in the hands of a pro, a basic setup will sound great. Hopefully I can create something minimal, that will sound good at the same time. I been focused purely on songwriting the past 2 years almost, now gotta start learning the sound recording aspect of it.
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Thanks Mario - I checked those products out - I'm assuming you use the Isolation Shield for the condenser mic, and the Pop Filter Isolation Ball for your dynamic mic? Just curious you you use both mics for vocals only? Or when do you use one mic vs the other? Those do look like cost effective solutions that might work better than setting everything up in my closet. (Or perhaps I could set up the Isolation Shield in my closet, with clothes behind me, for extra sound dampening).
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Thanks Mario - I checked those products out - I'm assuming you use the Isolation Shield for the condenser mic, and the Pop Filter Isolation Ball for your dynamic mic? Just curious you you use both mics for vocals only? Or when do you use one mic vs the other?
Those do look like cost effective solutions that might work better than setting everything up in my closet. (Or perhaps I could set up the Isolation Shield in my closet, with clothes behind me, for extra sound dampening).
I use the isolation ball for my condenser and the shield for the dynamic. 99% of the time the mics are used for vocals with the condenser getting the most the work. When BobH, my musician partner, and I both sing I will use the dynamic. The 1% is used for recording things like percussion, my glockenspiel, or when recording other people's acoustic guitars. The isolation shield and closet idea should work, especially if you live in a noisy area. If you don't live in a noisy area you may not need the closet. The isolation ball is very good at blocking extraneous noises from all directions. I hope this helps.
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I'm weird, but my initial thought to your original post was when you mentioned having a bed in the room, and then asking about dampening .. a bed may already provide pretty efficient sound dampening
One thing I learned in my house (YMMV) .. if you don't like the sound of the mic where you have it right now, move it and try again
I've found trying things like (instead of a closet) put the mic in a hallway .. doesn't sound *quite right? turn it around and face the other end of the hallway .. open/close different doors in the hallway .. ended up with some pretty decent vocal tracks that way
All that typing to say -
Experiment and figure out where/how your space can work for you, that's a pretty cheap option to try first before investing in other stuff and then figuring out how to use that other stuff
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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A typical bedroom, full of stuff, will absorb and reflect in ways that are decent diffusion...a book case with books stacked higgledy piggledy on the wall directly behind you works wonders.
Avoid working in corners.
Avoid putting speakers in corners.
Avoid closets...there're a squillion reasons for this.
As good a, non usb, mic as you can afford, a decent interface, a pop screen and reflection shield are always handy, a pencil & rubber band.
Experiment.
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Curtains/drapes that you can hang across a room and adjust can be helpful to adjust the reverb/spectrum.
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As a quickie;
Just the past week I purchased new monitors and was really disappointed. They were really boomy particularly the low “C” on the guitar. Moved the speakers off the wall a bit and that fixed it. Created a slightly raised platform so they are no longer on the desk (the platform legs as well as the speakers have rubber feet). This reduced the boominess even further.
The room is hopeless but in a leased small unit I can’t do too much so I’ll have to live with what I have. My point is even moving speakers can have a fairly dramatic effect on how things sound.
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As a quickie;
Just the past week I purchased new monitors and was really disappointed. They were really boomy particularly the low “C” on the guitar. Moved the speakers off the wall a bit and that fixed it. Created a slightly raised platform so they are no longer on the desk (the platform legs as well as the speakers have rubber feet). This reduced the boominess even further.
The room is hopeless but in a leased small unit I can’t do too much so I’ll have to live with what I have. My point is even moving speakers can have a fairly dramatic effect on how things sound.
Just a thought
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I use the isolation ball for my condenser and the shield for the dynamic.
99% of the time the mics are used for vocals with the condenser getting the most the work. When BobH, my musician partner, and I both sing I will use the dynamic. The 1% is used for recording things like percussion, my glockenspiel, or when recording other people's acoustic guitars.
The isolation shield and closet idea should work, especially if you live in a noisy area. If you don't live in a noisy area you may not need the closet. The isolation ball is very good at blocking extraneous noises from all directions.
I hope this helps. Thanks Mario, good points. I'll experiment with just the ball first and see what works. There is a good amount of traffic going by outside my window, but perhaps the ball will block it out.
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One thing I learned in my house (YMMV) .. if you don't like the sound of the mic where you have it right now, move it and try again
I've found trying things like (instead of a closet) put the mic in a hallway .. doesn't sound *quite right? turn it around and face the other end of the hallway .. open/close different doors in the hallway .. ended up with some pretty decent vocal tracks that way
All that typing to say -
Experiment and figure out where/how your space can work for you, that's a pretty cheap option to try first before investing in other stuff and then figuring out how to use that other stuff
Good points, I remember reading Bruce Swedien's book (sound engineer for Michael Jackson) and they would record vocals off hardwood floors (to pick up Michaels dancing stomping sounds), and things like recording coke bottles in the bathroom IIRC. My ear can't pick up those nuances yet though, it's odd. To me it sounds the same in one room vs another room, unless it's a matter of cars driving by and such.
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A typical bedroom, full of stuff, will absorb and reflect in ways that are decent diffusion...a book case with books stacked higgledy piggledy on the wall directly behind you works wonders.
Avoid working in corners.
Avoid putting speakers in corners.
Avoid closets...there're a squillion reasons for this.
As good a, non usb, mic as you can afford, a decent interface, a pop screen and reflection shield are always handy, a pencil & rubber band.
Experiment. Just curious, if I was to line the back wall of my closet with a duvet, and sing with my back to the closet (into a mic with a isolation shield, facing the window) - would that be an OK option?
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Howdy Q....
See Guitarhackers post.
That will get you going.
To reiterate, as he infers....
It's not all about having the most expensive equipment.
It's about knowing how to actually use the tools you have effectively.
Good luck getting setup....enjoy.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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