Hi Noel,

That's largely what I've concluded, though the melody does play after the MIDI accompaniment stops. But the melody in that area has been rearranged a bit as in that last image. That's with the option checked "start the ending two bars early". That changes the way the ending is handled, but, IMHO, not sensibly.

I'm not sure what differences there are between a "tag" and an "ending" in BIAB. There are times when it appears there may be a difference and times when they appear just two different names for the same thing.

I've been messing with this far too long. At this point all I now really want to do with this particular song is remove the turnaround from the final chorus, but even that seems to not work.

I've tried 1st/2nd endings, tags, "start the ending 2 bars early", unfolding, folding, refolding, trying to manually adjust. It feels like every single attempt has issues of some kind. I think I really am giving up on it. I have other songs where I've just erased the turnaround to circumvent this, or where I just accept the turnaround where there shouldn't be one. I'd convinced myself that the "must sensibly work", but I now think it just doesn't. I've run out of ideas. One big chorus seems at present like the only approach that works. That of course removes options like variations in the middle choruses, so anything like that also needs to be manual.

Thanks for trying to help and for being patient with my increasing fractiousness. I'm tired of trying to make it do what I think it should, I'm tired of trying to find out why it doesn't and of trying to prove the mechanism. Every attempt takes quite a bit of time and checking.

I haven't tried the "Song Form" options. Maybe that'll work, or maybe I'd just be heading into another long round of "what's it done now?" messing about. Maybe I'll try later, but not for a few days/weeks.


Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11
BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software.
Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts
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