Is there a way to control the BIAB main program in DAW?
I am already very familiar with the BIAB main program. I also don't want to open BIAB VST in STUDIO ONE. Is there a way to open and control the BIAB main program in STUDIO ONE? Like the way of the bridge? When I hit Play in STUDIO ONE, the BIAB outside will also play.
I have two monitors. It shows STUDIO ONE playing. The other shows the BIAB main program playing. I can see them pushing at the same time. I can put some new content in STUDIO ONE. When I need to put BiAB-generated WAVs into STUDIO ONE, I will generate and drop them into STUDIO ONE.
Can it be realized?
Why do you think that? Because I found a lot of differences between BIAB and BIAB VST. It makes me feel sick.
Let me give you an example. A lot of music software. Both have standalone programs and VST versions. But the opening is the same. Consistency is maintained. Like EZKEY You open the standalone version the same way you open the VST. How you set up the VST in the standalone version will change.
This consistency includes: 1. Software design interface 2. Feel of operation 3. Software Settings
But BIAB and BIAB are like two different pieces of software. And I was already comfortable with the BIAB main program. Therefore, I want to open the main program that I am familiar with in STUDIO ONE.
Why? Either you want BIAB or Studio One. I don't use the plugin but if I finish working in BIAB I then move onto my DAW. The two are sequential not side by side- that is what the plugin is supposed to do. Maybe you need to post in the BIAB wishlist forum but it might help if you could explain a bit more about what you think could be improved.
The plugin - from what I understand - is not as fully functional as the main program but if you want full BIAB capability use BIAB.
SBM, don’t compare EZKeys to BiaB they are completely different things. EZ products are plugins, just like the BiaB plugin. BiaB is soooooo far ahead of the plugin it is a deep and rich software program. Over 20 years of development. The BiaB plugin is a VSTi app with 5 years of development. It was never meant to have what BiaB has just consider it a BiaB lite. Some of the functionality of BiaB but a small footprint app that can be used to add tracks to a DAW project.
As far as controlling BiaB with a DAW so far it isn’t possible. I doubt it will be. Unless you cobble together some bridge plugins. That was the whole reason for the plugin. A lite version of BiaB to open up inside a DAW. Hit the sync button and thenDAW has control. So you can continue to add tracks and test them before you drag them.
If you make a large project in BiaB and want it in the DAW you can drag to the drag window and drag form there directly from BiaB. Then if you decide to add more open the BiaB file in the plugin and add tracks drag directly. Sync them and test first. The tools are there.
Lastly don’t let the limitations make you “sick” let the capabilities help you create. Appreciate what it does do rather than worry about what it doesn’t do.
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The plugin - from what I understand - is not as fully functional as the main program but if you want full BIAB capability use BIAB.
Yes. I also use the BIAB main program. But sometimes, I want to add something that needs to be listened to, and if it can be done side-by-side, it will save time.
Why not use BIAB VST. Because it often causes my STUDIO ONE to crash.
Lastly don’t let the limitations make you “sick” let the capabilities help you create. Appreciate what it does do rather than worry about what it doesn’t do.
Yes. Couldn't agree more. Thanks for the Pointers.
After a lot of trial I have settled on the separate instances approach. Both have pros & cons associated with them.
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You also use the BIAB main program externally, right?
I do not use the DAW plug in. I run a separate instance of BIAB in one window (monitor 1). I run a separate instance of Logic in another window (monitor 2).
As I said, its a two edged sword. You give up some convenience. You get a complete interface you already know. For me separate works.
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The real answer to your question is to have PGMusic incorporate all of the stand-a-lone functions into the VST. That not only would solve the problem but also allow the PC and MAC versions to be announce and delivered simultaneously. But until that time I use my Studio One Pro 6 and BiaB separately. YMMV
PS I know you don't use the VST and the above doesn't answer your question.
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The real answer to your question is to have PGMusic incorporate all of the stand-a-lone functions into the VST. That not only would solve the problem but also allow the PC and MAC versions to be announce and delivered simultaneously. But until that time I use my Studio One Pro 6 and BiaB separately. YMMV
PS I know you don't use the VST and the above doesn't answer your question.
The problem with running them separately is that you can't play them simultaneously. For example, if you press Play in STUDIO ONE, a separate BIAB application won't play. So sometimes it's not possible to demonstrate something.
However, since BIAB has made a separate VST, I don't think it is possible to open the main BIAB program in VST mode. As a result, BIAB separately designed the new BIAB VST
The problem is that DAW doesn't necessarily collapse anytime soon, and that hasn't changed. Therefore, I do not use BIAB VST
There is nothing wrong with your method. You can do all the testing of tracks you need to in BiaB prior to adding them to your DAW. Once you get the tracks you like move them over. Continue there.
One suggestion is to try the plugin. It doesn’t bite. Maybe it doesn’t do everything the main program does, but it was never meant to. It is a “lite” version. Once a song it moved to the DAW, it is easy to open the BiaB file plugin and test any extra tracks that you may may dream up there in sync with the DAW. A great little tool.
On the subject of adding all BiaB functionality to the plugin, it is simply not possible to add everything a deep program like BiaB does to a VSTi. Plus it is not necessary.
Here is an illustration. Do you throw away a leatherman tool (https://www.leatherman.com/wave-10.html) simply because it doesn’t do everything you complete set of tools does? No it is convenient for small fixes, but you would not build a house with it.
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There is nothing wrong with your method. You can do all the testing of tracks you need to in BiaB prior to adding them to your DAW. Once you get the tracks you like move them over. Continue there.
One suggestion is to try the plugin. It doesn’t bite. Maybe it doesn’t do everything the main program does, but it was never meant to. It is a “lite” version. Once a song it moved to the DAW, it is easy to open the BiaB file plugin and test any extra tracks that you may may dream up there in sync with the DAW. A great little tool.
On the subject of adding all BiaB functionality to the plugin, it is simply not possible to add everything a deep program like BiaB does to a VSTi. Plus it is not necessary.
Here is an illustration. Do you throw away a leatherman tool (https://www.leatherman.com/wave-10.html) simply because it doesn’t do everything you complete set of tools does? No it is convenient for small fixes, but you would not build a house with it.
thank you I understood the whole point. I am more and more familiar with BIAB recently. Workflow has also been adjusted. I really like the ability to add a LOOP to a track in BIAB. Through many attempts, I also have an in-depth understanding of how functions are added to my workflow.
Finally, thanks to all the friends above for their help. Thank you to everyone.
As far as controlling BiaB with a DAW so far it isn’t possible.
C'mon guys, it's entirely possible. I have made so many post over the years, you just need to read them and try them out, that's how we all learn and grow: You can do it all with Reaper HERE but a lot of users want to use Studio One and be restricted and not have full control of what you can do, where as with Reaper you have full control and are not restricted. You don't have to hack into it like you do with Biab to get it to do what you want rather than waiting 10 years for it to be implemented. You can do anything you like !
You can try this: Load this in a Biab VSTi slot midiOut64.zip (you may need midi on that track for the VSTi to be active ?) Set it to MTC LoopMidi and set Studio One Midi In to that also.
Go to Options > Advanced > Synchronization Tab.
Sync to External Devices: Click this box to make Studio One follow incoming MIDI Time Code (MTC). Note that some MIDI devices only transmit MIDI clock data, not MTC. Studio One requires a greater degree of accuracy than a simple MIDI clock can provide. For conversion from SMPTE, an outboard synchronizer is required. For additional accuracy, using an external word clock (master) is recommended. MIDI Time Code: Select the device that will receive MIDI Time Code (MTC). The gray field to the right of the device name indicates the current status of MTC transmission. MIDI Machine Control: Select the device that will receive MIDI Machine Control (MMC).
Even if Albert Einstein came here PG would still not listen I try hard to make Biab, RealBand and BBPlugin better, modern and industry standard for users but so much information I post falls on deaf ears so is completely ignored
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Can I use STUDIO ONE to achieve this?
You can try it with your version of Studio One. I don't have a working version of Studio One at the moment to try.
Also: MuLab VST a DAW Inside Biab (Win Mac) Biab could follow any decimal tempo map of the DAW by changing the playback rate like Reaper does using elastique pro.
See Pic: I load the midiOut64.dll into a track with midi like "Chords". You need midi on the track for midiOut.dll to work.
First, insert Studio One into ReWire VST as a plugin. Then, insert ReWire VST into BiaB main program as a plugin. After that, both software would sync on playback.
And yes, BBPlugin is the Bud Light of BiaB, aka BiaB Lite, so don't use it.
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