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15 years ago RealBand should of been Reaper Track Injector as I would not be here now half dead from it all.
I know they have said they have big plans for RealBand but I just have a felling they will go off half cocked with it.
Whereas with Track Injector for Reaper you get instant tracks in a quality DAW.
The main issue users have with Track Injector you have to hack into the menu and use AutoHotkey to get what you need. If Biab had track data text file Reaper would read that direct and get the tracks even faster without having to get Biab to write the track data for 1 track it will already have the track data for all current tracks as C:\bb\Data\BBoutput.txt.

This could not possibly cause any problems but sell more Biab or Audiophiles packages to Reaper users, and how many Reaper users are there compared to Biab or other DAW's users ??. Long term Biab users will still be able to render down to consolidated wav files and drag into their DAW but those that want total instant creative control will use Reaper direct.

I refer this reply to text:
>Here is a very simple way, these are 2 simple Reaper scripts that will import selected Biab mixer >tracks directly into Reaper instantly.
>Insert new track import bb temp txt data.zip
>Import bb temp txt data section to selected track.zip

I would like to ask if the text in script ReadMe.txt file is valid:
>This works with Band in a Box 2022 to 2023 version 1003
>You can still use your newer version to build the song up,
>rename the get Track Info version bbw64 - 927.exe or bbw64 - 1003.exe

If feel this is guite remarkable restriction if one can not update Biab to have plenty of bugs corrected.

I don't understand at all what you mean by
>You can still use your newer version to build the song up,
>rename the get Track Info version bbw64 - 927.exe or bbw64 - 1003.exe

Would you like to explain in detail what I have to do to follow
>rename the get Track Info version bbw64 - 927.exe or bbw64 - 1003.exe

That will be creat to have this feature because by partial regeneration in 2023 (that not works if one use multiple style in same song on version 1011) one can do all modifications on Biab side and then transfer wav files to Reaper.

I refer this reply to text:
>Here is a very simple way, these are 2 simple Reaper scripts that will import selected Biab mixer >tracks directly into Reaper instantly.
>Insert new track import bb temp txt data.zip
>Import bb temp txt data section to selected track.zip

I would like to ask if the text in script ReadMe.txt file is valid:
>This works with Band in a Box 2022 to 2023 version 1003
>You can still use your newer version to build the song up,
>rename the get Track Info version bbw64 - 927.exe or bbw64 - 1003.exe

I feel this is guite remarkable restriction if one can not update Biab to have plenty of bugs corrected.

I don't understand at all what you mean by
>You can still use your newer version to build the song up,
>rename the get Track Info version bbw64 - 927.exe or bbw64 - 1003.exe

Would you like to explain in detail what I have to do to follow
>rename the get Track Info version bbw64 - 927.exe or bbw64 - 1003.exe

That will be creat to have this feature because by partial regeneration in 2023 (that not works if one use multiple style in same song on version 1011) one can do all modifications on Biab side and then transfer wav files to Reaper.

Go here BBoutput.txt and +1

Use bbw64.exe version 1010+ to work on my_new_song.SGU
Freeze my_new_song.SGU and Save
Close bbw4.exe

Open my_new_song.SGU with bbw64 - 1003.exe
transfer tracks to Reaper

You can use Alt+F8 in 1003 to create section for Reaper tracks

Zoom++

If you had BBoutput.txt in C:\bb\Data
this would have all the track data for every current track in Biab
when I run the Reaper script it will read BBoutput.txt and INSTANTLY import all the tracks !
I could have another script that could choose what tracks to import or to update any track instantly with new sections or new track.

This way ANYONE could use the track injector with zero hacking and NO AutoHotkey needed.
NO waiting to render consolidated wav files.
It could also import the midi data directly.

Zoom++

Having the BBoutput.txt will allow this then to work on Mac also.

I am so sorry that I can't follow your fine expalnations for my last reply but if we concentrate your last post

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>If you had BBoutput.txt in C:\bb\Data
>this would have all the track data for every current track in Biab
>when I run the Reaper script it will read BBoutput.txt and INSTANTLY import all the tracks !
>I could have another script that could choose what tracks to import or to update any track instantly with new sections or new track.

>This way ANYONE could use the track injector with zero hacking and NO AutoHotkey needed.
>NO waiting to render consolidated wav files.
>t could also import the midi data directly.
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Would you like to explain step by step (without any references to other posts) what I have to do to get wav-tracks from Biab to Reaper easy way (of course drag and drop is one possible way) as you explained above. I would like to use always latest version of Biab (Audiophile) and Reaper and not use any old version concurrently with latest version of software. Sibelius is my most important enviroment enhanced by many contact libararies working with Reaper. Biab is nice to have for bacis band instrument on background.

PG said you are not allowed to use the latest version of Biab, you are only allowed to use version 1003.

Using Script: Biab track injector GUI 2.lua

Run bbw64.exe

create your song

Freeze all tracks

Save song

Close bbw64.exe (or leave open but minimize)

Run bbw64 - 1003.exe

Open saved song SGU

Run Reaper

Run Script: Biab track injector GUI 2.lua

Select a Track in Biab Mixer

In Biab track injector GUI select Settings Tab > Set File Type to "wav"

In Biab track injector GUI press "Import Selected Mixer Track"



You can also have version 1003 and 1010 running at the same time,
if you are working in Biab 1010 freeze tracks then save,
now open song in Biab 1003 and minimize 1010
now you can transfer tracks without having to generate in 1003

See 1010 & 1003 Video






You can also use the Rewire Plugin:
Rewire Plugin Video

Thank you very much. I will try this later today. How I can install two version of Biab? Is it so easy as to select two different path for two versions? Why PG will not allow us to use latest version with this customizations???

You can install 2 versions by
installing an older version
then make a copy of bbw64.exe
then rename the copy to bbw64 - 1003.exe
now install the latest version.

???? I don't know, they might just want you to only drag consolidated wav files into Reaper to make it hard and frustrating rather than easy after 15 years.
They think they may have good ideas but they don't give it much thought and look to see how modern software works to make things easy for the user not hard and frustrating.

You have the BBPlugin that will hopefully be made to play/generate files direct soon but there are many users that want all the features and function of the main Biab app.
I have spent so many years showing PG how to make things much better but it's has been an incredibly slow process year in year out try to bring them into the modern age. There is so much resistance.

I did everything according to you clear list. I get the following info:

1) First notepad opens with different column header and in the end of files is written "Guitar 1 track has empty WAV instructions".
2) Next small dialog opens: "No RT List, In RT Piccker select Copy List"

In laptop every realtrack files are in wma form.

What I should do next?

Generate track first

then




then

Thank you very much! Now I can transfer the track from Biab to Reaper. I will also go through other options in main menu. Without your help it has been impossible to get things working.

"Thank you very much! Now I can transfer the track from Biab to Reaper. "

Hallelujah !

I am glad you stuck with it and got it all working, now things will be so easy because you put in a bit of hard work and determination.

To stop Notepad popping up in the way each time, open any text file, make the window small and move most it off the screen then save the text file and close.
So next time it will open in a small window off to the side out of the way.

Just as TTa59 stuck with it and was determined to get it working, so to should PG step out of their comfort zone and make some quantum leaps.

It would be good if PG allowed this to work easy without users having to go through this process, of hacking menus and AutoHotkey, PLEASE.
I pray to God they see the light and the prosper into what Biab should be, an industry standard GOTO for any studio big or small.
AMEN.

It's true and I agree that your view and ideas can accelerate the song making process in Reaper very much. Thank you very much that you have delivered the code for us to use it free. I am just starting to do arrangements for our next cospel recordings. The time schedule for your help is perfect. I am so happy.

I understand why PG is worried if the development is too Reaper orintated (only one Daw) but locking some important ports for free coding is strange because ports are open for every other Daw's also. I hope we find good solution and agreement on this issues as soon as possible.


I have tested Plugin according to summary video of Biab Track Injector and I have noticed following issues:
1) "Import All Selected Tracks" imports always same track (many times) which has selected from mixer. It works proper way only if one track has selected from "Biab Track Injector". If I mark five tracks by blue icon I get five times the track which has been selected from mixer with midi data. At the end Biab dialog disappears and can't use anymore.
2) "Generate Current Track Section Custom" tab will jam up "Biab Track Injector" dialog and Reaper. Nothing happens. Have to restart Reaper.
3) "Generate Current Track Section" tab will jam up "Biab Track Injector" dialog and Reaper. Nothing happens. Have to restart Reaper.
4)”Set BB to Blank Style” on ”Style”-sub page of ”Biab Track Injector” will show the pop up dialog:
”An older instance of this script is already running. Replace it with this instance? Note: To avoid this message, see #Singleinstance in the help file.” I answer Yes => Style sub dialog will jam up "Biab Track Injector" dialog and Reaper. Nothing happens. Have to restart Reaper.
5) When I press Random Tab of different instruments => all instruments are situated on third track of Biab’s mixer (overrides each other)
Some questions:
1) How the ”Insert Region” works?
2) When ”Timebase” and ”Track Options” might use?
3) Alla tracks tranfered from Biab to Reaper are divided parts according to chord division of song? That is evidently brilliant idea. Why this has done this way? Of cource the tracks can be glued in Reaperi ff needed?

Yes I just noticed that when using 2023 as it was made for Biab 2022 and some dialogs and menus have changed so I'm just going through it at the moment to update the AHK scripts for 2023. Will upload the update when done.
In Reaper when you Save a project just remember NOT to use the "Move" source files option.

If Reaper is not responding just close the "H" in the System Try to close the AHK script, if not go to Task Manager and end task Autohotkey.exe.

1) How the ”Insert Region” works?
where you have the cursor on Reaper time line it will insert a region

2) When ”Timebase” and ”Track Options” might use?
This will set these option in the RealTrack Picker.

3) Alla tracks tranfered from Biab to Reaper are divided parts according to chord division of song? That is evidently brilliant idea. Why this has done this way? Of cource the tracks can be glued in Reaper if needed?
Yes all sections are in chord sections from the source files. The solo instruments are in the key so these can easily be adjust because you can lengthen them to add more notes or shorten, this gives a lot more creative control. Same with drum sections you can easily make them just how you like and then create the same drum stems from thoes sections arrangement. PG just need to still add the shots, holds & pushes to the stem source files that have been forgotten. With User Tracks you can manually add the shots & holds that are missing as a lot of the User Tracks I made with them because I thought PG would fix the issue but they have never got around to it.

As I said if RealBand worked the same way as Reaper 15 years ago we would not need all this. They plan to do some things with RealBand after showing Reaper working so well but I don't think it will be much (I could be wrong but it would need a lot of work) as it should of been a crossplatform language from the start like JUCE so you would get a Mac version at the same time as Win.
Where as giving the BBoutput.txt will give Reaper users on Mac the same Injector.
The only thing it would do is sell more Biab packages to Reaper users on Win and Mac as Reaper being one of the most popular DAWs. Studio One has scripting but only works with wav and not wma.

Zoom++ This is how RealBand should of worked from the start. If it worked like this 15 years ago I would not have been here now for all these years


You have the internal code to generate RealDrums in PT rather than using bbw2 in the background, if you had the RealTrack code also and non destructive editing.


Biab wav track sections Studio One

I managed to kill AutoHotkey session by closing the "H" in the System Try. Thank you for explanations for my questions. I am waiting your info of upload upgrade for Biab Track Injector. Thank you very much.

If you can't exit the Autohotkey script in the system tray go to Task Manager and end task Autohotkey.exe

Biab-track-injector-GUI-1003.zip
Because you already have the ReaTrak GUI elements you should only have to copy the ahk2 folder and Biab track injector GUI 1003.lua then install the new script and run it.
I think I got most issue sorted, just give it a try as things may need to be tweaked if not working.

Video: BB23-Injector-1003-Random-Style-Creator.gif
Video: BB23-Injector-1003-Generate-Section.gif

Thank you fast reply. I come back as soon as possible .