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BT, Of course AI will have an impact on industries/trades and music industry is not an exception. But are we talking about the industry here, or the other 95-99% of people who just like to tinker with music because they enjoy it? Thankfully cars didn't stop humans from walking in the past 100+ years  (We do walk/move less because of cars and that unfortunately contributes to quite a few diseases.) Rusty, I don't think anyone is saying AI will prevent you from tinkering with music (I'm certainly not saying that and it won't stop me from tinkering). Just like the adoption of cars haven't prevented me or you from walking. I drive AND I walk. This isn't a Boolean choice between AI with no tinkering vs no AI with all the tinkering you want. We will have both. And if some point PG Music adds the AI I'd like to see which is real-time creation of custom styles based on an audio input like Riders of the Storm, then I could see my tinkering actually increase because I'd be producing the style of music that's actually in my head. I'm not talking about ChatGPT creating a song for me, rather it's saying "ChatGPT assemble the best collection of great studio muscians from BiaB for the specific style of music I want". Then, once the style is created the tinkering begins.
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Personally I would like to see as much of AI as possible implemented into BIAB,
1 Generate Lyrics based on ideas or words inputed(ChatGPT)
2 Generate a melody based on those lyrics.
3 Suggest a style or for AI to add its own instruments.
4 Have Vocaloid singers available to sing the song.
5 Have a lot of customization options so that the user can change things.
6 Still retain the existing way of creating a song in BIAB.
So you want software to: Write your lyrics Write your melody Pick the style Sing the song And what is your role in this creative process? Putting your name on it? Do you know anything whatsoever about music? Do you even play an instrument? Have you ever written a poem? A short story? A shopping list? Wow. You want to do NOTHING and claim to be a songwriter? I have apparently wasted 67 years of my life learning music, how to read it, how to play it on 3 instruments, how to write lyrics, arrangement, production, engineering...
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There are thousands of people out there, of all ages, who just want a song for their loved one on their anniversary or their daughter on their 21st or their dog. So, posers, pretenders and wannabes then? When it comes to music, be in or be out.
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People do enjoy nice postcards and sometimes can tastefully pick the one that looks good and that would even have a few nice "meaningful" words written. Take that a step further Misha, and think about how much more deeply appreciated that card would be if the sender took the perfect picture of the perfect sunset, printed it on card stock, and wrote the verse that went inside. All of that is what the wannabe types want to remove from the creative process and let a computer do it for them. The turn this thread has taken has done 2 things. The first is that a lot of people don't understand what AI really is. The second is that people with no talent want to crash the party that is exclusive to real music creators. Aren't the welding robots in car factories a form of AI? They have been around for decades. How about car engines that automatically adjust fuel and air mixtures based on what the engine air sensors dictate? You have a Roomba? You can set a timer to start that device and vacuum your living room by itself. Anything automated uses some form of AI. AI isn't just a computer thing. ChatGPT created lyrics? To those who sing the praises of tings like ChatGPT, let me offer this thought to you. On your significant other's next birthday, have ChatGPT write lyrics for a song rather than YOU telling the story of what they mean to you. Make sure you tell her that you allowed a computer to do that rather than doing it yourself. Let me know how that works out. I just hope you bought the 7 foot couch and not the 5 foot loveseat. Songs are stories set to music. Nothing can tell your story better than you can. Certainly not a web page. There are songs on my CD were all written after women dumped me. That is a very real, raw emotion that nobody could express but me. Here is a +++LINK+++ to a shared Google Drive folder with 5 songs that are very personal to me. If you choose to, listen to these songs and let me know by PM if you think ChatGPT could have told those stories as well as my own hand did.
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This is a song you write yourself.  This is a song you write with all kinds of AI.  I mean, they are both flowers, right? LOL!!!
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This is a song you write yourself. This is a song you write with all kinds of AI. I mean, they are both flowers, right? LOL!!! Actually.... My efforts would look more like the bottom one
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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And if some point PG Music adds the AI I'd like to see which is real-time creation of custom styles based on an audio input like Riders of the Storm, then I could see my tinkering actually increase because I'd be producing the style of music that's actually in my head.
I'm not talking about ChatGPT creating a song for me, rather it's saying "ChatGPT assemble the best collection of great studio muscians from BiaB for the specific style of music I want". Then, once the style is created the tinkering begins. I mean no disrespect but one can learn a lot about music by creating your own custom tracks. For me creating music that I had a heavy hand is is very rewarding, regardless if anyone likes it or not. For it to mean anything the arts MUST be created by humans. AI can be a helping hand but a human must play the biggest part. YMMV
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Oh my word Eddie, this type of attitude “The second is that people with no talent want to crash the party that is exclusive to real music creators” is exactly what I stand against. It puts people off even trying. Who exactly is entitled to call themselves “real music creators”.
BassThumper. I am also on that list of people whose jobs may become obsolete with AI. I am a business analyst BUT am already using AI in my job to produce documentation at a hugely increased rate (and with a much better quality) so maybe while other business analysts are busy lamenting how AI put them out of work I will become valuable in another role entirely. Bring it on.
Misha; you actually made my point with this statement “ What is your "story", your "feelings", "you" in it?” that is exactly it. Everyone has a story that they can tell, or write a poem or draw a picture about. What they have not been able to do, until now, is make a song about it.
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I have found that I can produce better quality with AI. (Verse 1) [G] In a painting of flowers on a [C] blue background [G] I found a beauty that [C] knows no bound [Am] Close up of a flower, so [C] delicate and [G] rare [Am] Nature's masterpiece, beyond [C] compare (Chorus) [G] Oh, the colors they [C] blend and they [G] bloom [Am] Like a symphony, a [C] sweet perfume [G] Flowers on a blue [C] background, they [G] speak [Am] Of love and joy, the [C] language they keep (Verse 2) [G] In a painting of flowers on a [C] blue background [G] I see the wonders of [C] life unbound [Am] Close up of a flower, its [C] petals unfold [G] A story of beauty that [C] never grows old (Chorus) [G] Oh, the colors they [C] blend and they [G] bloom [Am] Like a symphony, a [C] sweet perfume [G] Flowers on a blue [C] background, they [G] speak [Am] Of love and joy, the [C] language they keep (Bridge) [Am] And as I gaze upon this [C] canvas so fine [G] I'm reminded of the wonders of [C] time [Am] Each brushstroke tells a story, [C] sings a song [G] Of nature's beauty, where I [C] belong (Chorus) [G] Oh, the colors they [C] blend and they [G] bloom [Am] Like a symphony, a [C] sweet perfume [G] Flowers on a blue [C] background, they [G] speak [Am] Of love and joy, the [C] language they keep (Outro) [G] In a painting of flowers on a [C] blue background [G] I find solace, peace, and [C] love profound [Am] Close up of a flower, a [C] moment in time [G] Forever captured in this [C] rhyme Courtesy of LyricLab in about 2 seconds
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Let's see AI write something like:
"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited", the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late".
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl. "
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Byron. It won’t be able to write something like that but it can give you a head start.
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I mean no disrespect but one can learn a lot about music by creating your own custom tracks. For me creating music that I had a heavy hand is is very rewarding, regardless if anyone likes it or not.
For it to mean anything the arts MUST be created by humans. AI can be a helping hand but a human must play the biggest part.
YMMV
No disrespect taken and all is well. I happen to agree that " one can learn a lot about music by creating your own custom tracks." These tracks could be created by assembling individual humans to play each individual instrument, or by using current versions of BiaB to create the tracks, or by using an enhanced version of BiaB that is able to build a custom style that is then used to create the track, or by some combination of the above. This list of approaches can also be expanded if other tools are considered. In a similar way, one can learn a lot about math by using pencil and paper, utilizing a handbook, using a high-end mathematics program or using a math AI tool. I also agree that "AI can be a helping hand". This, in fact, is how I view AI in general. It's just another [powerful] tool in the toolbox. I applaud Joanne for being bold, brave, and forward-thinking regarding AI technology. I can tell she is not the least bit fearful of it. Here is a quote I like to think about. " I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -Thomas Watson
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Well I think there is no stopping AI as regards music making, it will in the end be accepted by more and more musicians as it becomes less expensive and more common. Whether PGMusic intends to put Ai into their products will be a decision for them, but other than licencing reasons and what it would cost them, they could build ChatGpt into BIAB in a future edition. Don't see any reason as other Ai tools become available, and if it was cost effective for Pgmusic to do so, they might be added too. I think as long as the old way of creating a song is retained in BIAB, everyone should be happy. I wrote a little song with the following lines, "Everyday is different in life's roller coaster ride, And it's so good to have you right here by my side" I didn't like the last line for various reasons, so asked ChatGpt to come up with something different. It gave me this, "Everyday is different in life's roller coaster ride, With it's ups and downs twists and turns, you're always on my side" Which I felt better with, so I used it. Winner with you.
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Byron. It won’t be able to write something like that but it can give you a head start. And that.... is exactly how I use AI in my musical compositions. It quickly gives me a number of ideas from the few brief sentences I provide as guidance. It provides a lot of ideas in the form of verses and choruses. Some of which are not relevant in the course of what I'm working on, some of which are perfect or nearly so, and others that spark new thoughts and directions for ME to take in putting the song together. Will AI be able to write another ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER, or TANGLED UP IN BLUE? I have no doubt that it will. Maybe not now.... but then again the automobile was a very crude, noisy, slow, and unreliable vehicle when it was first introduced. AI is learning exponentially and there's no telling where we'll be in another 3 to 5 years with it.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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In the end, when you hear a song, you won't know how it was created.
And why should you care?
Either you like the song or you don't.
Whether someone spent hours on their own or in a collaboration, hired professional musicians,
rented a recording studio, paid to have it distributed OR
spent fifteen minutes with AI, pumped it out and put it up on the net,
if it's a song you'd like to listen to, does it really matter how it got to your ears?
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@JoanneCooper Couldn't YOU have written those horrible lyrics?
Do you know at all what prosody is?
Those AI lyrics completely lack prosody and are the kind of sappy, pappy nonsense that makes me laugh.
I would be absolutely embarrassed to put a song out with those lyrics. There's no emotion, no story, no feeling. A well written song has to be both intellectual and visceral. It has to make you think AND make you feel. Those AI lyrics are nothing more than what happens when somebody sits with a rhyming dictionary on their lap and spits out any sort of nonsense that does nothing more than rhyme.
As far as discouraging people from trying, use cooking as an analogy. Not everybody can cook, and many will NEVER be able to cook. It is a skill, and an art form, that you either have the aptitude for or not. I am a very good cook, but I had the benefit of being married to a woman who was a food writer at our newspaper and she taught me about layering flavors, getting just the right amount of seasoning on/in the food, and cooking things to the right temperature. (Every had chicken that didn't hit 165 degrees farenheit? If so, did you enjoy the food poisoning that likely followed?)
So... layering flavors = layering sounds.
Proper seasoning = voicing chords and looking for embellished chord substitutions.
Correct temp = meaningful lyrics that tell a story, preferably one from your own life that touches people.
And if you eat dessert, dessert = arrangement.
I put up a link that either nobody cared to click or nobody cared to comment in PM. I believe that I am a strong lyric writer. You may not agree, as is your choice. But when you listen to my songs you get to hear a story from my life. I will never write a "croon moon spoon June" song. Todd Rundgren once told me that "I Saw The Light" was supposed to be a joke because he wrote down a bunch of words that rhymed and then wrote a song using them. Yet it is one of most well known songs. Irony can be so ironic.
Disclaimer: This next statement is just what I think.
I don't like it when people want to take shortcuts because it devalues music education, and that is disrespectful to the old skool musicians who have been at this for 60+ years. Put in the time. Learn the CRAFT and THEN worry about turning out (bad) songs just to feel good about yourself. There are too many Cowboy Chord guitar strummers out there who never leave the 3rd fret and have no ability to ever play a solo.
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And every song sounds the same. Exactly 3:34 in duration, mentioning drinking wine, dirt roads and pickup trucks, sung by a bad girl singer that sounds like she has a, uh, well, something, stuck in her throat.
Music of today stinks. It stropped being about the music so many years ago. Now it focused on the girl singer being hot, wearing outrageous outfits, and putting on a stage show.
The Beatles, Chicago, The Eagles... they pretty much just stood by their mics and played and sang great songs at the highest level. That's when music was music. Now the music is secondary.
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Eddie. Maybe making music is more about personalisation than prosody?
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I think as long as the old way of creating a song is retained in BIAB, everyone should be happy.
+1 Move forward confidently into the AI future while retain the best of the past. It's not a Boolean choice, we can have both.
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Eddie. Maybe making music is more about personalisation than prosody? So you don't really know what prosody is then? I am out of this discussion. Music is to be revered. All of the shortcutting is just disrespectful of the art. Music is about hard work and dedication, not letting AI write your lyrics and letting software write, sing and play the songs. Very few of you seem to grasp that idea of respect. Bye.
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Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
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Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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