Originally Posted By: Tangmo
Yes, I'm talking about the music of a song lyric. When those words become part of a song they become music. A Capella is a great example. And yes, I include Rap in "songs". If the definition of "song" has become broad enough to include pieces of music which have never been married to a lyric, then it should include lyrics which have no discernible melodic connection to the rest of the music.

I've mostly been watching this thread with my original "it all depends" view, but I'd like to add a bit that shows just how grey the area is between music and lyrics (and indeed Rap), by drawing attention to how poems can be musical without actually necessarily being music per se. That blurring from poem to lyric to tone poem to music.

Two British poems:

This Is The Night Mail - W H Auden
Cargos - John Masefield

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