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You And Iyou and i don't want the same things i can see it in your eyes the night falls our shadows stalk the halls we've nowhere left to hide love should last forever but we both know something's changed like a fire when fire has lost the flame you don't want to hear me say it you would rather hear me lie our cold bed the things we leave unsaid the feeling we hide deep inside nothing lasts forever nothing stays the same did we try or only try to place the blame you and i don't want the same things but i don't want to say goodbye i can't accept that there's really nothing left two strangers both choosing losing sides love can last forever but only if we really try in the end it's for you and me to decide The BackgroundTL;DR: All comments are welcome! I started with the EMPOWER demo, and made a bunch of changes. Then I exported a backing track into SynthesizerV and worked out a melody. While working on the lyric, I did something I do far too infrequently: I changed the key from C to G to better fit the voice. For me, writing songs is a slog and then lots of rewrites, and this was no different. You might notice each verse re-uses much material from the prior verse. This is a convenient poetic device that minimizes the amount of new material I need to write. Still, it took days before I dropped my "Ode to Summer" song idea, and eventually came up with something workable. Although I loved the drums in the demo song, the handclaps seemed out of place for the lyric, so the RealDrums were replaced by UJAM drums, mostly because it was easier to build a drum track with UJAM than with EZ Drummer. Then I kept the MIDI, replaced the UJAM drums with an Addictive Drums drumkit. As usual, I added a bunch of instruments. I had bought an 80's sounding keyboard library called Rhodes Affair 2, and decided to try adding that, along with the Fret Affair 80's guitar sound. Unsurprisingly, it made it very 80's sounding. The BiaB GrungePopGritty Guitar soloist apparently has no idea what a Maj7th chord is, and plays Dom7th chords instead. Replacing "Cmaj7" and "Gmaj7" with "Em" and "Bm" mostly fixed that, but the guitar parts required a lot of editing. I eventually generated a bunch of sustained chords so I could simplify the guitar parts even more. I wasn't going to have a guitar solo in the song, but after listening, my daughter said "I like it, but it needs a guitar solo" like I feared she might, so... I carved out room and added a MIDI guitar solo after a couple hours work. Spoiler: the guitar solo you hear is not that MIDI, see next paragraph.  The same daughter said "I'm not feeling it" when she heard the solo, so I ended up building it in BiaB anyway. I'm not thrilled with the effects on it, but I don't have a digital guitar pedalboard, so it'll stay like that until I get better FX. This was a real bear to mix. It started out as a "wall of sound", and became more so as I added more instruments. Less really is more! I'm pretty happy with the mix, but feel free to tell me where I went wrong.  Edit 1: I replaced the snare with a more genre-appropriate snare, slightly altered the guitar solo notes/FX/raised the volume, and modified the guitar solo at the end. Edit 2: My son did some tweaking to get the bass, kick and snare to play nice. There's also a huge reverb tail after the guitar solo, which I think is too much, but be says that's what the kids are into these days it's super-dope*. [*] I doubt anyone used the phrase "super-dope", ever. Then again, as I was leaving the mall the other day, I passed someone who said "I'd like to see the Haunted Mansion [film]", so stranger things have happened. The InstrumentsLead Vocal: SynthesizerV (Natalie) Backing Vocal: SynthesizerV (Qing Su) Bass: 1010:Bass, Electric, BritInvasion Ev 140 Ac Gtr1: 406:Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Ev 136 Ac Gtr2: 691:Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming AcRockBright Ev 120 El. Gtr1: 2535:Guitar, Electric, HeldChords Gritty El. Gtr2: Indiginus Generation Electric Guitar Keyboard: Rhodes Affair 2 (LA 85) 80's El. Gtr: Fret Affair Ac. Gtr 3: Indiginus Renegade Acoustic Drums: Addictive Drums (United Pop/Acoustic Pop) Bg. Lead Gtr 1: 3729:Guitar, Electric, Soloist GrungePopGritty Ev 110 Bg. Lead Gtr 2: 3729:Guitar, Electric, Soloist GrungePopGritty Ev 110 Solo Guitar: 3729:Guitar, Electric, Soloist GrungePopGritty Ev 110 The FX ChainMaster Track: HoRNet ThirtyOneMK2, HoRNet MasterTool, GregWells MixCentric.(Mix Fairydust) Lead Vocal: SynthesizerV (Natalie), GregWells VoiceCentric (Lead Vocal), Panagement2 (Heaven) Vocal Buss: Raum (Grounded), Panagement2 (Heaven) Backing Vocal: SynthesizerV (Qing Su), GregWells VoiceCentric (Backing Vocal), Panagement2 (Heaven) Backing Vocal Buss: Raum (Grounded), Panagement 2 (Heaven) Bass: TrackSpacer (ducking vocal) Ac Gtr1: TrackSpacer (ducking vocal), Panagement 2 (Heaven) Ac Gtr2: TrackSpacer (ducking vocal), Panagement 2 (Heaven) El. Gtr1: Panagement 2 (Heaven) El. Gtr2: Indiginus Generation Electric Guitar, Panagement 2 (Heaven) Keyboard: Rhodes Affair 2 (LA 85), Panagement2 (Heaven) El. Gtr: Fret Affair, Panagement2 (Heaven) Ac. Gtr 3: Indiginus Renegade Acoustic, Panagement2 (Heaven) Drums: Addictive Drums (United Pop/Acoustic Pop) Bg. Lead Gtr 1: Raum (Airy), Panagement 2 (Concrete) Bg. Lead Gtr 2: Raum (Airy), Panagement 2 (Concrete) Solo Guitar: EZ Mix 2 (Guitar Solo), JS Delay w/Tempo Ping-Pong, Panagement 2 (Concrete)
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David,
Love it!
You have a really nice big sound here - great mix. Natalie sound excellent.
Awesome work!
Bob
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A pop song to my taste: nice melody and pleasant chording (clever way to start using something else than the base chord and the transition to the chorus is also very nice), 80's feel and Natalie is the perfect voice for it. The electric piano has nice sound, reminds me of some 80's movie soundtrack. Lyrically would be a good one for a teenage movie, although I can find deeper "read between the lines" levels fitting for AOR. The arrangement and mix are very well done. On the first listening, I didn't like the background lead guitar, but it seems that I got used to it on further listenings. Maybe the title is bit too generic, otherwise I wouldn't change a thing  Janne
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Sounds Great. Natalie sounds natural, SynthV is getting to be the vocal tool of choice. I found she sounds best in her low-mid register, which works on this song. Lowering the key worked well. Excellent use of Real Tracks, Mix and Production is spot on. Excellent Job on this one.
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David,
Solid tune. A bit sad, but glimpse of hope at the end. Nice vocal structure at choruses. Fun instrumentation. Mix is very clear. This is only an opinion, but I think the drums are a bit strange for this particular tune. Me thinks that jazzy or perhaps even completely different, something of old school 808 drum sound might give it another facet. Fun listen and thank you for sharing.
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David
Nice easy listen. The guitar solo sounds fine to me.
Vocals are nicely programmed and mixed.
A good tune.
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Love it!
You have a really nice big sound here - great mix. Natalie sound excellent.
Awesome work! Hi, Bob. Thanks! I appreciate your positive comments.
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A pop song to my taste: nice melody and pleasant chording (clever way to start using something else than the base chord and the transition to the chorus is also very nice), 80's feel and Natalie is the perfect voice for it. The electric piano has nice sound, reminds me of some 80's movie soundtrack. Lyrically would be a good one for a teenage movie, although I can find deeper "read between the lines" levels fitting for AOR. The arrangement and mix are very well done. On the first listening, I didn't like the background lead guitar, but it seems that I got used to it on further listenings. Maybe the title is bit too generic, otherwise I wouldn't change a thing Hi, Janne. Thanks for the detailed comments! I wasn't sure what to do about the title, because even once the song was done, I didn't have an idea what the title should be - not a good sign for a pop song, because it's a failure to deliver a strong hook. I was thinking about "Two Decide", but thought that was a bit too clever for its own good. Thanks again for listening and posting!
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Sounds Great. Natalie sounds natural, SynthV is getting to be the vocal tool of choice. I found she sounds best in her low-mid register, which works on this song. Lowering the key worked well. Excellent use of Real Tracks, Mix and Production is spot on. Excellent Job on this one. Hi, Elliott. Natalie is fast becoming one of my favorite SynthV voices. As you said, the low/mid register is where she works best. Thanks for the kind words on the song and production, I appreciate it!
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Solid tune. A bit sad, but glimpse of hope at the end. Nice vocal structure at choruses. Fun instrumentation. Mix is very clear. This is only an opinion, but I think the drums are a bit strange for this particular tune. Me thinks that jazzy or perhaps even completely different, something of old school 808 drum sound might give it another facet. Fun listen and thank you for sharing. Hi, Misha. Thanks for mentioning the ending. There's a songwriting "rule" that each verse should bring something new and change things a bit, and once I hit on that ending, it felt like I'd finally gotten to the heart of the song. You're probably right about the drums - I didn't look too hard for a replacement. I was looking for something that had punch rather than being genre specific. After reading your comment, I played around with putting in a LinnDrum sort of sound, but I'm not thrilled with the kits that I've got. I'll give it some more thought, though. There are some 80's kits that are available from Audiolounge (the same company that created the Rhodes Affair) that I may consider getting at some point. I'm glad you enjoyed the listen. Thanks for stopping by!
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Nice easy listen. The guitar solo sounds fine to me. Hi, Peter. Cool, I'll stop worrying about it (but may eventually change the FX anyway). Vocals are nicely programmed and mixed.
A good tune. Good to hear! Thanks for listening and commenting!
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I liked the drum sound per say, David. Maybe you could try something lighter for this but you're maybe already looking.
The vocal is good apart from I detected a high pitch flutter here and there but no big issue.
All in all, clever stuff.
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David you are the master of the Synth V!
Natalie sounds very organic.
I liked that guitar solo, great work on that.
This must have been a bear to mix with all those instruments and effects!
Regardless you did one heck of a job on it as it sounds like it was mixed in a pro studio.
I liked the drums also.
Great job on this one David.
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The guitar intro made me think of The Eagles for some reason...
The snare is very up front which suggests the bass guitar could do with being a little closer to it in level but the bass sounds like a very busy, synthy bass so maybe not.
Misha has the goods on the narrative flow...it works.
Really cool mix other than the upfront snare.
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Sounds good to me, David! Vocal sounds excellent, love hearing that vibrato!
Guitar solo also sounds good. I read your note about doing it in midi, do you mean you composed it using a midi editor? Very impressive if that's the case.
Good one, enjoyed.
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Hi, Vic. I liked the drum sound per say, David. Maybe you could try something lighter for this but you're maybe already looking. I've got back and substituted a genre-specific Linn-style snare. I'm on the fence about it, as I really liked the smack of the prior snare, but I'll see. The vocal is good apart from I detected a high pitch flutter here and there but no big issue. Yep, I should go back and correct some of that. All in all, clever stuff. Thanks!
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Hi, Mario. David you are the master of the Synth V! I suspect that it's just that SynthV keeps improving, but thanks! I liked that guitar solo, great work on that. I've gone back and update my initial comments. After my daughter panned my MIDI solo, I went back and found something in BiaB to replace it. So I can't take any credit for the solo.  This must have been a bear to mix with all those instruments and effects!
Regardless you did one heck of a job on it as it sounds like it was mixed in a pro studio.
I liked the drums also. Yeah, there was just too much going on. There still is, in places, but I need to rest my ears a bit before making any more drastic cuts. Great job on this one David. Thanks, I appreciate it!
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Hi, Ray. The guitar intro made me think of The Eagles for some reason... The snare is very up front which suggests the bass guitar could do with being a little closer to it in level but the bass sounds like a very busy, synthy bass so maybe not.[/quote] Well, I've brought in a different snare. I should probably EQ the bass so it sits a bit better. Misha has the goods on the narrative flow...it works. Good to hear. It was one of those things where I wasn't sure where the song was taking me, but I wasn't there yet. And when I finally got the right lyrics, it finally felt like it had arrived at where it was headed. Really cool mix other than the upfront snare. I've replaced the snare with a Linn-style snare (but still have a bit of reverb on it, so it's not quite as in your face. Since that's one of the things I liked about that drum kit, I might put it back in, but I'll give it a chance. Thanks for listening and the feedback - positive and negative!
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Hi, Dave. Sounds good to me, David! Vocal sounds excellent, love hearing that vibrato! Good to hear! Guitar solo also sounds good. I read your note about doing it in midi, do you mean you composed it using a midi editor? Very impressive if that's the case Unfortunately (for me) I jettisoned the MIDI version and replaced it with something from BiaB. It's obviously tweaked so it flows the way I want, but I can't take credit for it. I've changed the description to make that more clear. Great, thanks for listening and posting!
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David,
Love the sound of this. Fresh is the word that comes to mind. And it moves - propels you along with it.
I like the write. Especially the melody.
Won't even mention how good you make those virtual singers sound. That's a given.
I like the guitar.
The drums are interesting. The snare was...different. Good to experiment (many producers are using "different" snares these days).
I kept expecting the chorus to "soar". The verse melody seemed to indicate it would.
The chorus sounded like a bridge to me - the melody and where it went. That happened each time.
Each time, I expected that chorus to "rise".
I like when my ear is challenged with new things. This does that. Could be that repeated listens would "train" my ear and teach me something new...
You obviously put a lot of thought into each aspect of the creation of a song. I applaud you.
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We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
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