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Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Byron Dickens #774248 08/19/23 06:11 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States	Originally Posted By: Byron Dickens OK, since you failed to answer my basic questions I have to conclude 1. You have never worked on the RealPlayer development team or any other software development team 2. You have never written software to process video or audio 3. You are clueless on the inner workings of the RealPlayer program For someone lacking in such basic qualifications I find it quite odd that you can you tell me that official information from RealNetworks is wrong. What kind of special knowledge does Byron Dickens have that RealNetworks, Wikipedia and a state of the art AI bot doesn’t have?? Once again, you now know what extraordinary claims require. But here is another opportunity to redeem and establish your credibility. What language(s) was the RealPlayer program written in back in 1995? What language(s) was the RealPlayer program written in back in 2015? What language(s) is the RealPlayer program written in today? Has AI ever been incorporated into RealPlayer? Has RealNetworks ever sub-contracted any portion of the code writing to a sub contractor? How many different methods are there to convert video files to audio files on the Windows platform? What are the drawbacks of the FFmpeg library? Is this library used in RealPlayer today? Do you even know what FFmpeg is? Can you produce a system block diagram describing how RealPlayer operates on video sources? Byron, I don’t want opinion, hearsay, inuendo, beliefs or other generic day dream mumbo-gumbo to these questions. I want crisp, fact-based, informed, truthful, logical answers based on your experience. My guess is you don’t have any. Guess what? Programmers and marketing people at RealNetworks DO. They can answer these simple questions and those you or I can’t even think of. It’s THEIR product and this is called design authority or project ownership. Based on your answers (or non-answers above) I will judge whether you have design authority here or not. I'll bet the development team rolled their eyes at such nonsense and resisted.The marketing guys should have known better and very likely did, but felt they had to dumb it down for a scientifically ignorant and only quasi literate public that has little interest in such niceties as using language accurately. Can you prove that you are not quasi literate by answering the above questions ? In these fights, the marketing department always wins. Says who? And based on what? What is your evidence for this claim at RealNetworks or anywhere else? My experience with marketing professionals coupled with your non-answers to my questions tells me that you could learn much from sitting at the feet of the marketing director at RealNetworks. Make no mistake, this is not about you two against me. This is about Byron Dickens and Mike Halloran against generative AI. This is about Byron Dickens and Mike Halloran against Wikipedia. And most relevant, this is about Byron Dickens and Mike Halloran against RealNetworks. If you want to pull the sled with the big dogs, you have to be a big dog. RealNetworks is a big dog, so is Wikipedia and so is today’s generative AI chat bots. Alaskan Malamutes can cut it, Mexican Chihuahuas can’t. Imagine if I were to pompously and arrogantly claim that material regarding the inner workings of BiaB as described on the PGMusic website is flat wrong . . . I’d be jerk. PGMusic, their employees and associates are the only ones fully qualified to discuss BiaB with any real authority. Everyone else is far less qualified; or maybe even a clown. So too with RealPlayer. Someone smarter than me once said “If you find yourself in a deep hole, the first thing to do is stop digging.” PS> I downloaded another video this week and converted it to an MP3 audio file . . . yes, using RealPlayer. And it works like a charm in my DAW . . . woof woof https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Bass Thumper #774255 08/19/23 07:59 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 621 Hockley, TX B Byron Dickens Journeyman
Byron Dickens Journeyman B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 621 Hockley, TX	Your questions are totally irrelevant. They are a red herring. That's why I'm not going to answer them. I not only was not part of the design team, I have never worked for Ford Motor Company in any capacity yet I have detailed technical knowledge of how my car works. You tell me what logical inference can be made from this fact. Again, I dare you to take a college class and cite Wikipedia in your bibliography as "proof" of anything. Hell, Wikipedia themselves tell you to tread carefully: Reliability of Wikipedia Wikipedia is Not a Reliable Source Drop a video into your NLE and tell us what you see. Better: do as Mario suggested and take a silent video, "convert" it to audio and tell us what happens. Fact: In your NLE you can separate the video from the audio. You can get rid of one or the other, make changes to one independently of the other and/or move them or parts of them in relation to one another. Fact: when rendering your project or transcoding it you can independently choose the video and the audio codec. You tell me what the obvious logical conclusion is Last edited by Byron Dickens; 08/19/23 08:01 AM. Byron Dickens BIAB. CbB. Mixbus 32C 8 HP Envy. Intel core i7. 16GB RAM W10. Focusrite Scarlett 18i 20. Various instruments played with varying degrees of proficiency. https://soundcloud.com/athanorsoundlabs

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Bass Thumper #774266 08/19/23 09:52 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,001 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,001 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Time to put this one behind us. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Matt Finley #774276 08/19/23 01:23 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,161 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,161 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Matt Finley Time to put this one behind us. I did. Steve and my definitions of convert and extract are different. So be it. No harm, no foul. Peace Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track MarioD #774289 08/19/23 03:45 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States	Originally Posted By: MarioD Originally Posted By: Matt Finley Time to put this one behind us. I did. Steve and my definitions of convert and extract are different. So be it. No harm, no foul. Peace +1 PM me if you'd like to see if a meeting of the minds is possible. There's still much to be explored on this subject. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track DrDan #774291 08/19/23 03:50 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,794 Winston Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,794 Winston Salem, NC USA	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle When one download application glitches another download application may not. +++ HERE +++ is a Windows YouTube to MP3 application that works well for me. Like Dan I am also fond of using Audacity's "Record What You Hear" mode which works very well. Jim, just to let you know over the past two days Audacity downloads of Youtube audio has failed me completely. I don't know what has changed, but this is familar history for me when it comes to Youtube downloads. So I tried your recommendation and it worked perfect for 3 out of 3 attempts (ya I have a new project in mind). Just have to figure out now if I need to pay something or if it is free? PS, tried RealPlayer and was not sucessful in several attempts. Thanks Dan, The link I provided is for the free version of the 4K YouTube to MP3 application. You can purchase a license to unlock additional features but I haven't found a need. +++ HERE +++ is a webpage that explains the benefits of purchasing a license and how much the various license plans cost. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Bass Thumper #776149 09/13/23 06:48 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,768 Sillie Con Valley, California Mike Halloran Expert
Mike Halloran Expert Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,768 Sillie Con Valley, California	Quote: Make no mistake, this is not about you two against me. This is about Byron Dickens and Mike Halloran against generative AI. This is about Byron Dickens and Mike Halloran against Wikipedia. And most relevant, this is about Byron Dickens and Mike Halloran against RealNetworks. I have nothing against AI, Wiki or RealNetworks. I have everything against your attitude when you were presented with an opportunity to learn from people who do know their subjects. We posted in good faith with the best of intentions and only kept replying so that you might learn. Trust me, we have learned. This, however, may be the funniest thing that I have ever read on these pages. Thank you for this laugh. Quote: In these fights, the marketing department always wins. Any of us who have ever worked in sales, marketing or management know the accuracy of that. If you think we're the ones who look bad as a result of this thread, that's just another of your many mistakes. BIAB 2024 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Mike Halloran #776166 09/14/23 03:28 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States	Originally Posted By: Mike Halloran I have nothing against AI, Wiki or RealNetworks. But you do have something against them . . . you won't except what they are saying about RealPlayer converting video files into audio files when clearly they know much, much more than you. You seem like an otherwise rational guy so let me try this. If you choose to be adamant about RealPlayer extracting audio then please explain how that is done. Does their software skip every 3rd byte in the source file and . . . . pooof, audio appears? Or does it skip every 13th bit and then take the square root of the remainder? Or maybe the first and 3rd fifth of the file is video and everything else is audio? I've given you my evidence . . . times 3. Where is yours? Mike, with all due respect, this is not a kindergarten schoolyard where you can say "My daddy invented paper, walked on the moon and is the strongest man on earth." Rather, this is the adult world where credibility and fact-based evidence matters; provide some. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Bass Thumper #776196 09/14/23 12:29 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,158 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,158 Mi., USA	It is extracted for one because most video does not interweave the structure of the audio and video so it's not about counting bits or multiplying. They are separate inside the file. You extract the audio part of a file that is labeled a video file. (video file semantically means 'video' but it often contains audio too, go figger) Conversely, the audio section of a video file is usually 24/48 in a given codec .. so if the application has an end result of something other than that, then it did indeed convert it (as it extracted it). Semantics .. some of the worst arguments to get into or suffer through, especially when in some cases both sides can be correct! It's OK to try to look at it from the other side and think "yeah, I see why he'd say that" Sometimes it's even true from both sides. Last edited by rharv; 09/14/23 12:33 PM. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track rharv #776200 09/14/23 02:04 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States	Originally Posted By: rharv It is extracted for one because most video does not interweave the structure of the audio and video so it's not about counting bits or multiplying. They are separate inside the file. I can see that when I (yet again) asked Mike to explain how the extraction is done that my tounge-in-cheek question was taken literally. So let me try again, this time being more obvious. Does their software skip every 3rd byte in the source file only if you ask nicely, dance around the flag pole 4 times under a full moon in the rain while howling with lit candles in both hands and . . . . pooof, audio appears? If you haven't noticed, I'm evidence-driven. Personal beliefs, heresay and opinions don't mean much to me. Q. As for semantics, could it be that you are the one wrong about semantics/terminology and not RealNetworks? A. Yes Here is my evidence. But I am flexible. Get RealNetworks to change their "semantics" and I'll certainly change mine. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Video Conversion.jpg (57.92 KB, 79 downloads) https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Bass Thumper #776257 09/15/23 08:10 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,466 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Veteran
Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,466 Hampshire, UK	Why do I do this. I should leave this alone but... BassThumper's original question related to changing a YouTube video file to an MP3 audio file. Mike's response was to say one can't convert video to audio. But that was not what Bass Thumper had said. Below is an image of before and after media-info reports for a YouTube mp4 file changed to a mp3 audio file by the simply doing: $ ffmpeg -i SavedYachts\ 140MB\ Medium.mp4 SavedYachts\ audio.mp3 You will see that it has indeed 'extracted' the audio, but it has then converted from the mp4's AAC LC to an mp3 audio stream, probably in a different coding and certainly at a different data rate, before repackaging in mp3 file format. One could equally argue that the conversion 'extracted' the video and dumped it. In either case the new mp3 file is of a different type to the mp4, with different packaging data, so the file has been converted. 'Extraction' may well be part of the process, but the whole process from start to end is a conversion. A final binary compare shows the two files differ right from the very first byte, despite these both being mpeg files. The file types and the file header information are different. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) mp4-mp3.jpeg (154.56 KB, 72 downloads) mp3 to mp3 Last edited by Gordon Scott; 09/15/23 08:12 AM. Reason: type date->data Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Gordon Scott #776258 09/15/23 08:19 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,223 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott Why do I do this. I should leave this alone ... Ya, your first thought was the best one... BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Gordon Scott #776259 09/15/23 08:31 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,569 United States	Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott In either case the new mp3 file is of a different type to the mp4, with different packaging data, so the file has been converted. Thank you Gordon. Here is further evidence that corroborates this from an FFmpeg perspective. This should now be established truth, settled science and confirmed fact. Let's all move on. . . whewwww, this took a loooong time. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) FFmpeg.jpg (39.03 KB, 60 downloads) https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track DrDan #776264 09/15/23 11:50 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,466 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Veteran
Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,466 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Originally Posted By: Gordon Scott Why do I do this. I should leave this alone ... Ya, your first thought was the best one... Yep. Gordon out. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Re: "Gremlins" in my audio track Bass Thumper #776270 09/15/23 03:31 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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