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Running BIAB from an ssd HD #778745 10/14/23 06:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands furry OP Veteran
OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	Hi folks. I have an issue and was wondering how to resolve it. I have biab 2023 installed on a 1tb SSD Sandisc external hd. I've NO space on my main HD left to run it so it has to be run externally. My problem is that if I have to power off the imac ( Sonoma ), I have to reinstall all the RTs which is a real pain. Anyone got any idea how to solve this please ?. Had most of the RT downloaded & installed, then it froze and I have to redownload EVERYTHING again. Drivin me mad. Here's a copy of the fault log panic(cpu 1 caller 0xfffffe00294a2770): watchdog timeout: no checkins from watchdogd in 183 seconds (1505 totalcheckins since monitoring last enabled), shutdown in progress, vfs shutdown not yet started Debugger message: panic Memory ID: 0x6 OS release type: User OS version: 23A344 Kernel version: Darwin Kernel Version 23.0.0: Fri Sep 15 14:41:34 PDT 2023; root:xnu-10002.1.13~1/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 Fileset Kernelcache UUID: 7CD3C0485714106B76F60CFF2DED0D9D Kernel UUID: 9D9158F9-0E6D-30C0-BBA9-519175145599 Boot session UUID: 0FAB0D9E-2387-4AE4-9A43-D947A5943B49 iBoot version: iBoot-10151.1.1 secure boot?: YES roots installed: 0 Paniclog version: 14 KernelCache slide: 0x000000002054c000 KernelCache base: 0xfffffe0027550000 Kernel slide: 0x0000000020554000 Kernel text base: 0xfffffe0027558000 Kernel text exec slide: 0x0000000021a48000 Kernel text exec base: 0xfffffe0028a4c000 mach_absolute_time: 0x5535702e8b Epoch Time: sec usec Boot : 0x652a5dd2 0x000a3e33 Sleep : 0x00000000 0x00000000 Wake : 0x00000000 0x00000000 Calendar: 0x652a995e 0x00077764 Zone info: Zone map: 0xfffffe100c008000 - 0xfffffe300c008000 . VM : 0xfffffe100c008000 - 0xfffffe14d8cd4000 . RO : 0xfffffe14d8cd4000 - 0xfffffe167266c000 . GEN0 : 0xfffffe167266c000 - 0xfffffe1b3f338000 . GEN1 : 0xfffffe1b3f338000 - 0xfffffe200c004000 . GEN2 : 0xfffffe200c004000 - 0xfffffe24d8cd0000 . GEN3 : 0xfffffe24d8cd0000 - 0xfffffe29a599c000 . DATA : 0xfffffe29a599c000 - 0xfffffe300c008000 Metadata: 0xfffffe301c4ac000 - 0xfffffe30244ac000 Bitmaps : 0xfffffe30244ac000 - 0xfffffe3025a4c000 Extra : 0 - 0 CORE 0 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c CORE 1 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf5840 CORE 2 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c CORE 3 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c CORE 4 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c CORE 5 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c CORE 6 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c CORE 7 recently retired instr at 0xfffffe0028bf703c TPIDRx_ELy = {1: 0xfffffe1b3f2f7030 0: 0x0000000000000001 0ro: 0x0000000000000000 } CORE 0 PVH locks held: None CORE 1 PVH locks held: None CORE 2 PVH locks held: None CORE 3 PVH locks held: None CORE 4 PVH locks held: None CORE 5 PVH locks held: None CORE 6 PVH locks held: None CORE 7 PVH locks held: None CORE 0: PC=0xfffffe002a33ba64, LR=0xfffffe002a33ba08, FP=0xfffffe5d4c587cb0 CORE 1 is the one that panicked. Check the full backtrace for details. CORE 2: PC=0xfffffe0028bf1f40, LR=0xfffffe0028bf1f3c, FP=0xfffffe5d4c2c7e80 CORE 3: PC=0xfffffe0028bf1f40, LR=0xfffffe0028bf1f3c, FP=0xfffffe5d4c33fe80 CORE 4: PC=0xfffffe0028adfc0c, LR=0xfffffe0028adfc08, FP=0xfffffe5d4be5bef0 CORE 5: PC=0xfffffe0028adfc0c, LR=0xfffffe0028adfc08, FP=0xfffffe5d4bccfef0 CORE 6: PC=0xfffffe0028bf1f40, LR=0xfffffe0028bf1f3c, FP=0xfffffe5d4b507e80 CORE 7: PC=0xfffffe0028adfc0c, LR=0xfffffe0028adfc08, FP=0xfffffe5d4be4fef0 Compressor Info: 0% of compressed pages limit (OK) and 7% of segments limit (OK) with 1 swapfiles and OK swap space Total cpu_usage: 21058971 Thread task pri cpu_usage 0xfffffe1b3f0e3818 kernel_task 95 8715 0xfffffe1b3f2e7030 kernel_task 0 5049725 0xfffffe1b3f2f7030 kernel_task 0 5362305 0xfffffe1b3f0d7030 kernel_task 0 0 0xfffffe1b3f086848 kernel_task 0 2005601 Panicked task 0xfffffe200bfaf9b8: 0 pages, 473 threads: pid 0: kernel_task Panicked thread: 0xfffffe1b3f2f7030, backtrace: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb860, tid: 376 lr: 0xfffffe0028aa5264 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb8f0 lr: 0xfffffe0028bfd490 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb910 lr: 0xfffffe0028bee4c8 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fb980 lr: 0xfffffe0028bec93c fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fba70 lr: 0xfffffe0028a53aa4 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fba80 lr: 0xfffffe0028aa4b44 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbe30 lr: 0xfffffe00292b5604 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbe50 lr: 0xfffffe00294a2770 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbec0 lr: 0xfffffe00294a2594 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbf00 lr: 0xfffffe002949fb88 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbf20 lr: 0xfffffe0029e171b0 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbfb0 lr: 0xfffffe00291e5838 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbfc0 lr: 0xfffffe0028befd4c fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbfe0 lr: 0xfffffe0028a53b18 fp: 0xfffffe3a4e8fbff0 lr: 0xfffffe0028bf1f3c fp: 0xfffffe5d4bd9be80 lr: 0xfffffe0028adfc08 fp: 0xfffffe5d4bd9bef0 lr: 0xfffffe0028adfe20 fp: 0xfffffe5d4bd9bf20 lr: 0xfffffe0028a5ced8 fp: 0x0000000000000000 Kernel Extensions in backtrace: com.apple.driver.AppleInterruptController(1.0d1)[670C3F2A-76C1-3FC4-AE16-6415B8680D41]@0xfffffe0029e142d0->0xfffffe0029e1802b dependency: 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166464) ** Last edited by furry; 10/14/23 06:42 AM. Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778760 10/14/23 08:39 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,614 United States Bass Thumper Veteran
Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,614 United States	furry, most likely what I say here will not be of much direct use but FWIW I'm running BiaB (as shipped from PGMusic) on an external drive with no problems. Here's the rub . . . I'm on a Win 11 box. Like Warren says, hopefully PG staff will respond with help. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778764 10/14/23 08:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands furry OP Veteran
OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	Yeah I was running Win till last year. I got fed up of constant updates that always cocked something up so I moved to mac Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778769 10/14/23 09:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,614 United States Bass Thumper Veteran
Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,614 United States	Originally Posted by furry Yeah I was running Win till last year. I got fed up of constant updates that always cocked something up so I moved to mac I know this is anecdotal evidence, but a quick review of the latest posts here seem to show many more Mac related issues than Win related. Could it be that BiaB harmonizes with Win machines better than Mac ? . . . Just a thought. And yeah, Windows updates and security patches do happen frequently but usually overnight for me. The worst that has happened is whatever programs happen to be running get non-gracefully shut down. But lately I notice there are options to capture any work that wasn't saved; so all has been well. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778772 10/14/23 09:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands furry OP Veteran
OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	it was their audio bugs I frequently got, and frequently had to wait ages for a fix Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778791 10/14/23 11:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,913 Sillie Con Valley, California Mike Halloran Expert
Mike Halloran Expert Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,913 Sillie Con Valley, California	Originally Posted by furry Hi folks. I have an issue and was wondering how to resolve it. I have biab 2023 installed on a 1tb SSD Sandisc external hd. I've NO space on my main HD left to run it so it has to be run externally. My problem is that if I have to power off the imac ( Sonoma ), ** That is your problem. BIAB is not recommended for Sonoma yet and many have problems. Please don't post full crash reports here. If necessary, those can be sent to pGM Support. Originally Posted by Warren P Fellow user here trying to be helpful; I have spent a lot of time with a lot of mac apps and I really don’t think mac os is suitably configured for using usb attached storage (external SSDs) for your application to launch from. (resume again) You're wrong there. PG Music ships the higher versions on USB Drives—Audiophile comes on a USB 3.0 (aka 3.2 gen 1) HDD only. There is no problem running it from these drives after running the Installer for a few /Library/Application Support files. The OP told us his problem in the first paragraph which is Sonoma. BIAB 2023 is not ready yet but it's been announced they are working on it.. At the risk of coming off a little cranky, there is no need to give us your resume with every post. BIAB 2025 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778794 10/14/23 11:58 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands furry OP Veteran
OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	Ahhh, problem identified then....Sonoma. Guess I'll just wait a while. I was wondering why it wasn't installing the actual biab programme Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778799 10/14/23 12:10 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,913 Sillie Con Valley, California Mike Halloran Expert
Mike Halloran Expert Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,913 Sillie Con Valley, California	Originally Posted by furry Ahhh, problem identified then....Sonoma. Guess I'll just wait a while. I was wondering why it wasn't installing the actual biab programme If you've not contacted Support on this directly, do so. Perhaps you can get an advanced heads up on Build 707 which is supposed to be the one they're working on now. BIAB 2025 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #778825 10/14/23 02:32 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands furry OP Veteran
OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	I have contacted them but they never mentioned anything. I'll get some gen from Andrew on Monday Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779398 10/19/23 09:36 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,423 Victoria, BC Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff
Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,423 Victoria, BC	Quote My problem is that if I have to power off the imac ( Sonoma ), I have to reinstall all the RTs which is a real pain. Anyone got any idea how to solve this please ?. Hi Graham, I don't understand this question. Having the entire program on a huge external SSD should work great. Also, the log you pasted in does not seem to have anything to do with Band-in-a-Box. There is a problem with the BiaB notation window on Sonoma as others have mentioned, but I don't know if that's what your question is. Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779609 10/21/23 10:19 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	Hi Andrew thanks for the post. Apologies for my late reply. My issue is that it won't stay on the HD if I have to remove it. I have to redownload. Just keeps giving me errors trying to install Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779618 10/21/23 11:19 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,423 Victoria, BC Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff
Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,423 Victoria, BC	Quote it won't stay on the HD if I have to remove it. I have to redownload. What won't stay on the HD? What are you redownloading? Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779622 10/21/23 11:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands furry OP Veteran
OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	all the RTs. When I reconnect the HD I have to redownload for some odd reason. I DON'T have enough space in my main hd to install the main programme. I use a 2tb normal hd. Only thing I havn't thought of is installing the whole programme onto my icloud drive. Is THAT a possibility ? Last edited by furry; 10/21/23 11:55 AM. Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779625 10/21/23 12:07 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,423 Victoria, BC	When you reconnect your HD, what makes you think you need to "redownload". Be very specific ... "i.e. because when I do this then this, this happens" Files don't just disappear from a HD for no reason. And no, leave icloud out of this for sure. Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779626 10/21/23 12:17 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	OK, thanks....I've got all the rts installed in a new 2TB HD. Every time I've installed the RTs I have to re-install them after removing the HD. Maybe I could have you take control and do a session that way if that'd be suitable sometime ? Meantime I've cleared enough space on my main drive to run the programme and am now downloading the RTs onto my new 2tb ext hd. I'll see how that goes Last edited by furry; 10/21/23 12:37 PM. Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779627 10/21/23 12:45 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	ok, that's a good start. It gets to 80% downloaded then sign comes up saying interrupted Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779639 10/21/23 02:41 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,423 Victoria, BC	Quote I've got all the rts installed in a new 2TB HD So, do you have Band-in-a-Box installed on this new 2 TB hard drive then? You need to stop downloading files that you already have and figure out what's going on. Last edited by Andrew - PG Music; 10/21/23 02:42 PM. Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779649 10/21/23 05:43 PM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	I'm stumped Andrew, It keeps getting interrupted trying to download. I've deleted all the downloaded RTs. in case there was a problem with the install manager. So, it's a case of starting from scratch again. Only difference being I've got the main programme running from my main drive if that makes sense ? Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779799 10/23/23 09:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,423 Victoria, BC	Quote I've deleted all the downloaded RTs Let's distinguish between the downloaded installer packages, and the installed RealTracks content. Download installer packages The download installers are realtracks.pkg files, about 15 or so of them, ranging from 5-40 GB each, that will normally be found in whatever location you chose as your "Download Location" in the Install Manager. The only reason you wouldn't find them there, is if you had the option to "automatically remove downloads once installed" checked. If you have this checked, you should uncheck it. Installed RealTracks content These are files in your Band-in-a-Box folder (and RealTracks folder). There are several different types of files for Drums and RealTracks, but some of the main files include R.st2 files in the Band-in-a-Box/Soloists folder, and files and folders in the Band-in-a-Box/RealTracks folder. The "RealTracks" folder can be quite large because it contains the audio data (.m4a or .aiff files). For this reason, there is a setting in Band-in-a-Box that allows you to store your RealTracks folder on a different hard drive (volume). In other words you are allowed to have your RealTracks folder located somewhere outside your Band-in-a-Box folder. If you are installing a Band-in-a-Box package with the Install Manager you can specify the location of your Band-in-a-Box folder and you can specify the location of your RealTracks folder. Running Band-in-a-Box and choosing your RealTracks folder You run Band-in-a-Box by double-clicking on the "Band-in-a-Box.app", located in your Band-in-a-Box folder. /Applications/Band-in-a-Box/Band-in-a-Box.app. Since the default location of your RealTracks folder is IN your Band-in-a-Box folder, that's where Band-in-a-Box will initially be looking for RealTracks. IF you have RealTracks folder in a different location, then you will need to specify that location in the RealTracks Preferences. Moving Band-in-a-Box from one hard drive to another A complete Band-in-a-Box UltraPAK install is about 170 GB. If you currently have Band-in-a-Box on your internal hard drive and it's working fine but you want to move it to an external hard drive (which is plugged into the same computer), there is an easy way you can do this. Just create an /Applications folder on the external, and copy the Band-in-a-Box folder from the Applications folder on the internal to the newly created Applications folder on the external - just copy, paste, and wait. So now that we're on the same page, for your specific situation, you need to: 1. Decide where you want Band-in-a-Box installed. In my opinion, you should put the entire Band-in-a-Box folder on one of your external drives, then there is no confusion about where the various parts are. 2. Now that you've decided that, you need to figure out where you stand. Do you have Band-in-a-Box installed ANYWHERE already? As a sanity check, select each of your Band-in-a-Box folders on your SSD, your 2 TB HDD, and your internal HD, and Get Info (Command+I) on each. What is the size of each? Any of them close to 170 GB, or in the ballpark? Why don't you reply with the sizes and we'll go from there. Last edited by Andrew - PG Music; 10/23/23 09:54 AM. Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Running BIAB from an ssd HD furry #779802 10/23/23 11:39 AM Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
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OP furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	Right, thanks Andrew. ALL biab files have been deleted from my main hd. I'm now downloading the main programme again into it's own 2TB hd where nothing else will go Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

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August 22, 2025

XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!

Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!

Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!

August 06, 2025

Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!

It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!

We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:

Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!

July 27, 2025

New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!

We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!

Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!

Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.

Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles

Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)

And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.

You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

July 23, 2025

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

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