Hello, I thought this would take me 5 minutes but two hours later.. I am using _Thrash1.sty. My first chord is a D and my second chord is an A. That is as far as I got! The problem is it sounds so bad because the A bass guitar note is playing down a 5th from the D, instead of up a 7th. I spent two hours on this so far, is there a solution? I would have thought so!
there is an option to raise the bass by one octave. This is the case for both midi bass nor a real track bass. There was just a thread discussing this in the past day or two showing exactly how to make this happen. Sorry I am not at my computer right nowh
I tried searching the forums and google using "raise the bass note in one bar by one octave", and variations on this, but unfortunately nothing useful came up.
Hello, I thought this would take me 5 minutes but two hours later.. I am using _Thrash1.sty. My first chord is a D and my second chord is an A. That is as far as I got! The problem is it sounds so bad because the A bass guitar note is playing down a 5th from the D, instead of up a 7th. I spent two hours on this so far, is there a solution? I would have thought so!
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I believe I followed the instructions. I clicked on the bass track and pressed F7. I confirmed that I have a real track for bass. I clicked on editable audio and I set audio transpose to +12. However, the whole bass track was transposed up an octave.
What I was trying to do was to make only the bass in the second bar with an A chord go up an octave. This makes a big difference in how the song sounds.. I would think this would be a common request.
in audio edit you can use amplify. Go to the mixer, select the track and select audio edit from the views tab, then expand or blow it up where you can see the section where the offending or quiet section is, highlight that area, go to edit, and select amplify, it will ask how many decibels, i would start small like maybe 2 to 5 decibels.
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in audio edit you can use amplify. Go to the mixer, select the track and select audio edit from the views tab, then expand or blow it up where you can see the section where the offending or quiet section is, highlight that area, go to edit, and select amplify, it will ask how many decibels, i would start small like maybe 2 to 5 decibels.
Hmmm.... I think this is an answer to a different issue
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You may be able to achieve a suitable result using MultiRiff Generation:
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From the help: "This cool feature allows you to add MIDI notes (via the Piano Roll or Notation window) to the same track that is playing. And you will then hear that MIDI track playing, in most cases using a MIDI sound created from the RealTracks recording session. This means that you can get the track to play the notes you want at key parts of the performance, either augmenting or replacing what the RealTracks is playing, for the section you want to change."
Last edited by AudioTrack; 10/25/2305:28 AM. Reason: Added further assistance from playable RealTracks help.
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FWIW - I do most all of my work in my DAW, Studio One Pro 6 and I work in MIDI most all of the time. But if I ran into a problem like this here is what I would do: 1-get the song exactly as I want it while ignoring the bass problem. 2-move the entire song to my DAW 3-back in BiaB raise the base track up an octave - note I have my DAW in ASIO and BiaB in MME - thus both can be open simultaneously 4-move the raised base track to my DAW. 5-cut and paste the bass line to my satisfaction
I know this may or may not help as it just what I would do.
However I believe you should put a suggestion in the wishlist forum. I can see a big benefit for those whom work in BiaB with RTs.
PS - I have a question. Does the base sound OK raised an octave? I would guess there would be some sound problems raising it that amount. Or is the base buried in the mix so those artifacts are noticeable?
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Thanks for replies. I will investigate playable realtracks solution after work. I feel this particular problem should be much easier. I was actually trying to capture a passing resemblance to some parts of the theme of the TV show Californication.
From the help: "This cool feature allows you to add MIDI notes (via the Piano Roll or Notation window) to the same track that is playing. And you will then hear that MIDI track playing, in most cases using a MIDI sound created from the RealTracks recording session. This means that you can get the track to play the notes you want at key parts of the performance, either augmenting or replacing what the RealTracks is playing, for the section you want to change."
Even though the _Thrash1.sty RT387 Bass RealTrack doesn't have RealChart data, Playable RealTracks work and can be used to edit Bar 2 to play the correct octave.
in audio edit you can use amplify. Go to the mixer, select the track and select audio edit from the views tab, then expand or blow it up where you can see the section where the offending or quiet section is, highlight that area, go to edit, and select amplify, it will ask how many decibels, i would start small like maybe 2 to 5 decibels.
Hmmm.... I think this is an answer to a different issue
Trev, we all know i have different issues!
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Sadly, I was not able to get the notation to work, it says I am somehow missing font files. I did a clean installation when I bought it 2 months ago not sure how they could be missing. I installed a program called PG Music font update and that didn't work, I just see sticks where notes should be. I really hope I dont have to download and install all this again? Really stuck at this point. I tried to install font update again and it said error code 5, pgmus.ttf already installed. This is what I see, and I can't edit the notes.
Your screenshot looks normal. It looks like you are viewing the Bass track, and there doesn't happen to be any notation on the bass. The Slashes are just a way of indicating that it is an empty bar. There is a setting to show/hide slashes in the notation window options.
If you generated a RealTrack and there is no notation showing, this is because that particular RT does not have a transcription (RealCharts) available. This is the case for some of the older RT's. In the RealTracks window, there is a column "Chart", and it is either blank (no notation), N (notation), or Gt (notation, including accurate tab for guitar/bass).
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really hope I dont have to download and install all this again?
You should definitely not do that, and there would be no point. If you WERE having a font issue, there is a small font installer in the Band-in-a-Box folder you can run (C:\bb\Data\Installers\bbfonts.exe). Just to be complete, the error message (error code 5) typically means that a file (in this case, likely the font file) was open/in use when the installer was trying to replace it.
Thanks for reply. I was able to get notation to work and I changed the bass realtrack to one in which the notation is editable. (Bass, Electric, BritInvasion Ev 140) I was able to transpose each of the notes up an octave but when I actually play it nothing changed, the bass still goes down a 5th. Is there one more step I am missing?
After you made the changes to the note(s), did you freeze the track before generating?
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I did not change freeze setting, I dont know how. I also did not generate. Where is this located? I pressed the play button with the + which says generate when I hover over it. However, it overwrites the new notes with the original notes.
Click the small asterisk (which turns blue when the track is frozen):
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You can also freeze the track(s) from the 'Freeze' menu option under the Tracks Tab:
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Thanks for reply. I was able to get notation to work and I changed the bass realtrack to one in which the notation is editable. (Bass, Electric, BritInvasion Ev 140) I was able to transpose each of the notes up an octave but when I actually play it nothing changed, the bass still goes down a 5th. Is there one more step I am missing?
You can't change the individual notes of the RealTracks bass part. Think of the notation as a transcription of a recorded bass part. However, you can use Playable RealTracks to enter some custom MIDI notes, and it usually blends pretty well with the audio bass parts. To do this, you can click the [PT] button in the notation window and enable. In editable mode, enter the notes you want - they should be green if you've enabled the PT mode. Next, you can mute the audio track while your notes are playing. To do this, click the PT button and select "create mute region..."
Also, you might want to use Bass, Electric, BritInvasion Ev 120 instead of 140, assuming that is closer to your song tempo.
Last edited by Andrew - PG Music; 10/25/2310:38 PM.
Thanks Andrew, yes, I had missed mentioning that this needed to be done with Playable RealTracks. I find the Piano Roll view a good way to do this also.
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Hi Andrew (At PG music), thanks for your reply and I will give this a try later today. I am currently using _OSMIUM.STY with horns in C# at 110bpm, C# B A E A#C
However, it seems like there should be a quicker and easier way of doing controlling the bass part variations. I have tried well over a dozen styles, and they all played the bass on the 2nd chord down a 5th. Would I need to enter this manual note customization on every single instance of the bar or can the bar and mods be copied and pasted? Also, I suspect the midi substitute would sound a little off.
Some say the bass is the most important part in many songs, all I wanted to do was a little bit of customization, specifically which octave is played, it changes the feel of the whole song. Shouldn't this therefore be an important feature of the application? Perhaps included in bass part variations?
Also, I was just reading about slash chords, where the bass note is different to the root note. Is this implemented in BIAB and therefore a possible solution for bass part note customization?
A similar related question is regarding bass note octave switching within a bar, which are very common in bass lines. What is the best and easiest way of doing this in BIAB?
Also, I was just reading about slash chords, where the bass note is different to the root note. Is this implemented in BIAB and therefore a possible solution for bass part note customization?
Yes, follow the chord with a Slash character and the bass note that you wish to play, e.g. 'F/C' will play a C bass note over an F chord.
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A similar related question is regarding bass note octave switching within a bar, which are very common in bass lines. What is the best and easiest way of doing this in BIAB?
To the best of my knowledge, there's no way to do this within a bar. Probably the most useful way is to use Playable RealTracks.
Last edited by AudioTrack; 10/28/2310:58 PM. Reason: Fixed typo
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Also, I was just reading about slash chords, where the bass note is different to the root note. Is this implemented in BIAB and therefore a possible solution for bass part note customization?
Yes, follow the chord with a Slash character and the bass note that you with to play, e.g. 'F/C' will play a C bass note over an F chord.
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A similar related question is regarding bass note octave switching within a bar, which are very common in bass lines. What is the best and easiest way of doing this in BIAB?
To the best of my knowledge, there's no way to do this within a bar. Probably the most useful way is to use Playable RealTracks.
I concur.
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Thanks all! This is what I ended up with. I wanted to share the .SGU but not allowed. BIAB seems to have figured out what I wanted without bass customization when I got the song right. Something I can jam guitar with for sure! I had to change the drum track to something more busy, I went with TropicalHouse^, still looking though.
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