I think Jeff made one real good point here the focus has never been on making RB just like every other DAW. Does it need some upgrades, yes, and at the same time it does just about every thing every other DAW does just a bit different. I remember as Mcity put it in another thread, he remembered that i resisted his idea 10 years ago on individual solo buttons. I did because the global solution worked just fine in my personal workflow as I am sure it did for many others as well, but i admit that in retrospect the solo button upgrade was a good idea. Was it necessary? No but either way it works, just different. I recent dialog with Jeff I have come to see that well over half the time i make a suggestion regarding a change in RB to match the "norm" in other DAWs he shows me a way RB handles that request that while different it is actually very effective and sometimes better. We have to also look at why RB is different, first off it was designed from the get go to marry BiaB with PT. and in that respect it is very different. Comparing it to Studio one, Cakewalk, and Reaper can at times be silly since none of them even come close to doing what RB can do in regards to Track generation. Some of the "odd" features at odd to those who are familiar with more mainstream DAWs are their for a reason and it has to do with the family relationship with BiaB and the native access to BiaB files. I do think the references to 90s thinking are not only un necessary but actually somewhat rude and condescending. Since the 90s only BiaB has been able to accomplish what they have with generating audio Loops, Midi, and such on the level they do. No other DAW can even begin to touch this as they have and that includes RB It is truly amazing.

There are few things that are needed. Some of those are being addressed hopefully in 2024 and others maybe in 2025. I think those that use RB on a daily basis while looking forward to annual upgrades would also be very unhappy if it became a hybrid of Studio one and RB, or Reaper for that matter. RB is what it is and hopefully it will continue to grow and upgrade. The one thing i truly believe that PGM is missing out on with RB is it should be Win and Mac. I know they say that is difficult but BiaB was once Win only and now it is both Bite the bullet guys and port it over to Mac. Mac may be a smaller audience but as Peter noted this year, it is the faster growing one. Have a meeting and get that done by 2025. I will tell you that for me my primary studio is Mac. If RB was Mac i would probably use it full time for everything but final mixing as i do that in Mixbus. However i just bought the Mixbus 32C plugin to use in other DAWs. If i can use that in RB and I also have the SSL master strip i can emulate all that Mixbus 32C does right in RB

Let's talk about the plugin, MCity you said the plugin is the future as it blends with many DAWs and gives all DAW users access to the Basics of BiaB generation in their DAW of choice. I whole heartedly agree with you on that. I truly hope that it gets some love this cycle, and that opens up more sales to new users. Direct to disc is a great upgrade. I would love to see PG cut it loose from BiaB and sell it separately with a nice selection of RTs and RDs and maybe some Library upgrades that would be a winner.

Look everyone on this thread is a solid contributor to this product, lets going forward refrain from derogatory and inflammatory comments and stay positive. offer good ideas, but allow PGM to progress at the pace they can swallow. The world is to filled with negativity for that to happen here. We are here because we all have a love for music and it's creation. Let's remember this is supposed to be fun and relaxing, not stressful and hurtful. Best to you all, and go make a new song.

HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.