Upon upgrading from 2022 to 2024 I find multiple songs that had tracks frozen under the 2022 version that now have silence or missing sections, especially but not exclusively in the drums. They also will not regenerate when un-frozen. I've been working with support on this via email, but since they are not raising the alarm here I feel that I should. You might want to hold off on any upgrades until they fix this issue if you require access to your existing songs. This upgrade appears destructive. I haven't experienced this issue creating new songs completely under 2024, build 1104.
That is very strange, I have not experienced that. It tried to open a few from 2021, 22, 23. All seem to work fine. Once opened, frozen tracks were empty, but once I clicked regenerate, it populated waveforms and they do sound exactly as I left (saved) them.
That is very strange, I have not experienced that. It tried to open a few from 2021, 22, 23. All seem to work fine. Once opened, frozen tracks were empty, but once I clicked regenerate, it populated waveforms and they do sound exactly as I left (saved) them.
Are you sure they are the same? If they were frozen and then you regenerated I would expect different music. What I want was the music I had frozen. Without that this is a big problem for me. Even then though, regeneration does not do anything in my case. These are generally files with style changes and/or multi-drums, but I can't say exclusively.
It is not about actual regeneration (I agree to what you said) I meant populating track(s) waveform image on new Track View for the track(s) that were not frozen. Sorry, I was not clear. See video. I assume you are getting something else?
Here is an example of what happens when I open the songs. Large chunks just missing. I did find that if I show the wave form window first, rather than chord sheet, then one of these two does eventually fill in the drum track, and then it plays fine. Without the wave form window it doesn't. I tried that with the other one, but it still has issues with the drum track being out of sync. Perhaps a step closer though!
edit: If I wait after opening the file it seems like it is generating the tracks, and it takes some time, but it does play correctly on the second one. The first one also does eventually generate all the tracks, but there is about a 20-30 second lag before all tracks are available. If I play before that it never generates them, but if I let it 'warm up' then it seems to work. I'm not sure why a frozen track would require that, and I don't have faith that what it is regenerating is what was initially frozen. That's an issue to me.
I also still have the drum track out of sync in the first example, no matter how long I let it 'warm up'.
Last edited by theBiz; 12/11/2310:01 PM. Reason: additional info
I notice on the image that your Realtracks are N/A. Have you re-built Stylepicker. Also, when I get N/A displayed like it is in your images, I go into Realtrack picker (the old one, not Multipicker Library) and choose "Rebuild and Fix" at the bottom of the Realtrack picker's window. I usually get a message that says something like "nothing to fix" but it corrects the problem.
As Misha points out, it is necessary to regenerate songs that have frozen tracks (but don't unfreeze any tracks). Support have probably already told you the following. Just in case they haven't, though... It's also possible to regenerate individual frozen tracks and provided they are not unfrozen, they will regenerate the same track that was present when they were frozen. What freezing does it to keep a record of the timestamps of which parts of a Realtrack (or Realdrums or SuperMidi Track, etc.) were used. The timestamp record also keeps information on the length of order of the sections. This allows a track to be re-created.
Did you install 2024 over your previous version of BIAB or put it in its own folder?
Regards, --Noel
I don't have lots of songs with frozen tracks, but I tried some SGU files that I knew had a track or two frozen from 8 - 10 years ago and they generated fine.
Nothing is destroyed, this warning is slightly exaggerated. All you have to do is wait for the patch while remaining "freeze" and nothing will be lost, if they manage to deal with multistyles. Besides, this happens even with non-frozen tracks, just test with all the multistyles. It's more of a multistyle problem than anything else. See this thread which also discusses multistyles.:
Are you sure they are the same? If they were frozen and then you regenerated I would expect different music. What I want was the music I had frozen. Without that this is a big problem for me. Even then though, regeneration does not do anything in my case.
Tracks that were frozen in any previous version of Band-in-a-Box should play exactly same when opened in 2024, and they do in my testing. However, you need to actually HAVE the Drums and RealTracks that those frozen tracks used, otherwise there will just be silence (BiaB should issue a flash message letting you know).
The first thing I would do is as others mentioned, a rebuild in the StylePicker - this also rebuilds the Drums and RealTracks lists, and you can double-check your custom folder locations (if applicable) at the same time.
If you have a specific song(s) that is misbehaving, please send it to support or post a link to download it (e.g. dropbox). We can test it out and compare results with you. Make sure the song that you send is frozen.
Andrew, It's been several times that I have published photos of my multistyle readings compared 2023 and 2024. If I can read 2023 without problem and the tracks are not generated correctly in 2024 it is not because I lack RT, but rather that there is a problem with multistyles. THANKS.
Andrew, It's been several times that I have published photos of my multistyle readings compared 2023 and 2024. If I can read 2023 without problem and the tracks are not generated correctly in 2024 it is not because I lack RT, but rather that there is a problem with multistyles. THANKS.
Yes. There's definitely a problem with MultiStyles not generating.
Andrew, It's been several times that I have published photos of my multistyle readings compared 2023 and 2024. If I can read 2023 without problem and the tracks are not generated correctly in 2024 it is not because I lack RT, but rather that there is a problem with multistyles. THANKS.
Yes. There's definitely a problem with MultiStyles not generating.
1105 fixed that, it should be a problem with different batteries. Very satisfied, I even recreated this mulltistyle's example that you gave some time ago, dear Charlie, in Biab 2024 and he refused to continue, but that's fixed. THANKS.
I notice on the image that your Realtracks are N/A. Have you re-built Stylepicker. Also, when I get N/A displayed like it is in your images, I go into Realtrack picker (the old one, not Multipicker Library) and choose "Rebuild and Fix" at the bottom of the Realtrack picker's window. I usually get a message that says something like "nothing to fix" but it corrects the problem.
Did you install 2024 over your previous version of BIAB or put it in its own folder?
I tried the rebuild from style picker and got the same Nothing to do! message. I also hit the regenerate button for the song, but still end up with half the drum track missing.
I installed 2024 on top of 2022.
Last edited by theBiz; 12/13/2309:53 AM. Reason: more info
You should try to unfreeze your Drums track, and generate it. Just to see if it generates to the end, without saving if you fear something, but at least you will know if everything works.
If I unfreeze and regenerate it does generate the entire length properly. It's strange, what I reported before about being sensitive to time before playing (warm up) and whether I'm in chord view or track view. Track view and allowing time between opening the song file and hitting play seem to correlate with it working as expected. As soon as I hit play though, it stops generating the drum (and sometimes other) part (as I watch it in the Tracks window). This is one of the reasons I freeze tracks, so I don't have to wait for generation and can play quickly.
On the song where the drums are out of sync, unfreezing and regenerating does not make any difference. Drums remain out of sync, as if they started playing a half measure too late or are at a slightly different tempo. The particular song uses 3 style changes, but not a multistyle. It's also sensitive to where I start playback. If it is at the start of the second section, it plays fine. If it's anywhere else after the end of the first section then sync problems. Nothing I do lets me play back this song as expected. It has been rendered completely unusable after the upgrade.
I can see the problem, it's really weird. Maybe reinstall your RD but I only half believe it. Another idea: completely re-enter your pieces since you have all the elements in memo - Bar summary. I can clearly see the slight shift which begins after measure 45. But otherwise they generate perfectly well, I remain permanently in track view, and I did not notice your concern about "preheating" time, it responds perfectly. Maybe could you send your tracks to Support@pgmusic.com if they have time to analyze them?I don't see anything in the entry that could cause a problem but there may still be a piece of 2023 code that went wrong.
Thanks Andrew. I installed the 1106 build and tested out the two files.
For the first one, I tried quickly starting playback mid-song after loading the file. The drums were missing for about two beats, but then came in and were as expected. I quickly switched to the tracks window and saw the drums still generating the waveform, and it did fully complete. This seems to have fixed the issue where starting playback stopped the generation. That kind of slight delay I can deal with, especially when it does fully generate all the tracks. I would consider this issue fixed.
For the second one, I started off in the tracks window and saw that all four style sections appeared fully generated. Starting playback in locations beyond the first measure of the style now appear to correctly sync the drum track. I would consider this issue fixed as well.
I appreciate the prompt attention to supporting and correcting these issues, and I feel like I can now fully enjoy the benefits of the 2024 version. Thank you, and keep up the great work.
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