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If anyone looks into this thread to see what it is about...
IF the problems I've had makes anyone hesitate to buy BIAB 2024 - DO NOT HESITATE.
This problem was (somehow) specific to my machine and the state that MY BIAB was in (basically)
And I was really frustrated.
Now that it is Resolved, I will throw my vote in with many others that THIS is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade to the program.
Game changing.
Do Not Hesitate!
And here is how that thread went......
2024 Track Window.
Sometimes (not always, but often) ANY action causes the program to hesitate and stutter (redraw?).
The slightest volume change or panning change (or anything else really) causes it.
Once in a while it doesn't happen and the program works as one would expect - goes on without a hitch.
Are there settings anywhere that might affect this?
Not enough machine?
11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-11400 @ 2.60GHz
32 GB
Windows 10
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Video card?
Or counting on OS for video?
// just a hunch
//where is BiaB running from? C: or external drive?
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I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Video card?
Or counting on OS for video?
// just a hunch
//where is BiaB running from? C: or external drive? video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4GB GDDR6 BIAB on C: (512GB PCIe M.2 SSD) Realtracks and Drums on D: (1TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD) ...and the only other things running at the time are Firefox and Thunderbolt (mail pgm)
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A few things to consider:
Are your video and mouse drivers up to date?
Does this happen on one song or on any song?
What program(s) might be running in the background?
Unregistered plugin you are trying out?
Checked for malware?
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Drivers are up to date
All songs
As I said, little else is running. Windows Defender.
I do not have any unregistered plugins.
Is NO ONE else experiencing this?
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FJ,
in Task manager CPU, Memory, HD "usage" looks OK?
If yes, the easiest thing to test is to eliminate interface from the equation, switch to onboard soundchip for testing purposes with basic MME driver and see if things work as they should.
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No resources are anywhere NEAR being maxed out.
Audio is set to MME. Not running the sound through an interface.
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Good suggestion.
Tell us about your audio interface.
Also, to answer your question, your computer certainly does not sound underpowered for BIAB. But if you are using an audio interface with an ASIO driver, the solution might be as simple as raising the buffers in that device's driver for audio playback. For example, if it's 256, make it 512, then 1024, and compare performance.
I am willing to guess based on experience testing the new BIAB 2024 that the faster regeneration requires more CPU power than in the past, and that alone might be what is stressing your system. There are a few BIAB settings you could try. One checkbox is called This Song Has Problems. Another checkbox Disables Fast Generation. These are in the Preferences, RealTracks or Song Settings; I'm not at a computer right now to find their exact location.
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Focurite Scarlet 4i4 3rd Gen.
New in the last year. I've been running it for a while.
I have never had any problems running BIAB.
I run Studio One Pro with Dozens of tracks and Dozens of hefty plugins without an problems.
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If my computer is not enough to run BIAB and I need to turn off fast generation, I'd say PGMusic is going to be in a world of hurt.
You really think that is the problem?
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BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
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If the song is playing, pretty much every action I take causes it to stutter.
In the chord sheet (like the old days), with the song playing opening any dialog - Memo, Song Settings... Stutter. Close the dialog. Stutter. Move a window slightly. Stutter.
(rebooting did not change anything)
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If my computer is not enough to run BIAB and I need to turn off fast generation, I'd say PGMusic is going to be in a world of hurt.
You really think that is the problem? No, I don't. You asked if there are settings you could try. Since I don't know the answer yet, I gave you some. I am leaning more and more toward audio settings as you reveal more about your system. However, don't assume if it works for Studio One it will work for BIAB. With the exception of a lot of plugins one might have loaded in Studio One, I think BIAB now requires more computer horsepower, and I base that on the substantial improvement in song regeneration speed in this new version.
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Did a Return To Factory Settings (Most).
No difference.
(well, except it set audio to WAS - which put out screaming garbage. So that is set back to MME)
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a little more info.
If I run the cursor over a button - my BIAB stutters when it displays the tool tip.
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FJ, I assume that you have latest BIAB patch.
Next thing I would personally try is switching to non Nvidia gpu. Usually there is Intel too.
P S. Silly question.. maybe there is a update pending computer restart?
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A Windows update showed up in the middle of all of this, so I applied it. No change.
I haven't ever switched gpus. Not really something I want to start doing (or feel Should be necessary just to get BIAB running like it used to)
this problem is specific to BIAB.
The STUTTER actually happens when no music is involved. If I open any movable dialog - when I grab the top of the dialog to reposition the dialog - move the mouse and the dialog hesitates (for a while) before it follows. Only in BIAB.
running 1104
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You said you have updated your mouse driver. Try a wired mouse if you are using a wireless one.
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FJ,
No stuttering here so far with update 1104.
This might be a longshot but could your CPU be running too hot and be throttling?
Make sure your chassis is not blocked by dust/debris and has unrestricted airflow, vacuum if necessary.
As a low cost troubleshoot step direct a house fan in a direction favorable to the onboard fan and see if that makes a difference.
You can also temporarily place your PC in a cooler location like a basement or garage.
Are you running on a laptop?
--Steve
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