I wanted to revert back to the 2023 build 1010 version for some quick testing.
Was running 2024 build 1104 before trying to go back to 2023 build 1010.
I figured all I needed to do was to do the following.
1. Rename bbw64.exe to bbw64-new.exe in the main BB directory 2. Copy bbw64_2023.0.0.1010 from the backup folder ((bb-data-backup-buids) to BB and rename it to bbw64.exe
What happens is that I get popup windows, one after another, saying "Too many tempo swaps" and that happens on any song I open. It finally goes to the splash screen after 8 clicks of the mouse and opens the program. The splash screen still shows version 2024 but with a build # of 1010 (from the last 2023 update)
Obviously just copying the single EXE file from the backup directory to the main directory is not doing a complete restore, not just what is found in the backup directory.
There has to be more 2023 files that need to be in the main BB directory in order to do a full revert to the old version.
See attachment
Thoughts or suggestions?
Last edited by Joseph Land; 12/18/2304:09 AM.
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Before upgrading I ALWAYS make a full backup of bb and realband folder so I can run the old version any time I want. I do this to check integrity of the upgrade (did I really get all the new stuff I paid for?) I also do this in case a new version ruins my old songs so I can recreate them as needed with the old version. I have no idea of any other way to reliably revert to an older version.
Love the Bitmap tip. Had fun changing my splash screen and wasted another hour out of my life.
But back to the topic at hand. When you do an upgrade, it asks if you want to do a backup. Obviously it is not doing a full backup and there appears to be no way to actually go back to a previous version.
bbw.exe, bbw64.exe, bbw4_64.exe, bbw4_32.exe, bbw2_64,exe and bbw2_32.exe are all upgraded from the 2023 version yet the 2024 upgrade ONLY backs up the old bbw.exe and bbw64.exe
That is the point I am trying to make. Why ask if you want a backup before the upgrade if it does not fully back up all the necessary files related to the previous version, so you can revert back.
Certainly not a big deal at all on my end at all as I keep old versions of the program on old drives I keep on the shelf.
Thanks.
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Thanks Matt. Since it is not resolvable at the user end and the developers need to look into it, I am marking it Resolved for now and will wait for a possible patch down the line, if it ever does.
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I did go back and check the logs after I got the 9 popup windows upon booting and this is what it showed.
Could be it just does not like what it sees in one or more of the other 2024 setup files that stayed in place after trying to revert back to 2023.
I can only assume it wants me to settle on the tempo I really want.
Bootup was optimal, set to fast [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Bootup time in milliseconds =11,820 [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] You have RealDrums enabled, but do not have RealDrum Substitutions from MIDI styles enabled. Click here to fix that. [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Time to scan unknown VST plugins = 1 ms [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Time to scan known VST plugins = 4 ms [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Time to scan AU plugins = 0 ms [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Time to scan ALL plugins = 5 ms [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Time to Count Plugins in ms =182. Plugins counted=21 [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Scanning for plugins... [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:10 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:06 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:06 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:05 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:05 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:05 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:04 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:04 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:03 PM] Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:00 PM] **** New Session started at : 12/17/2023 3:33:00 PM
Last edited by Joseph Land; 12/18/2304:11 AM.
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Hmmm... I would be very interested to know what exactly is causing these messages in the log file:
Quote
Too many tempo swaps [2023.1013.0, 12/17/2023 3:33:06 PM]
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