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This is a great share jpettit! You can certainly see how that work flow would be beneficial.
Thank you so much for doing this. Thanks, and yes, please share in PGM. As I said in the OP, these will be a series of videos of small changes in areas the currently prevent ease of use across the entire application. I will add the remaining as people have time to think about it. Thanks for all replies.
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That's a great video, thanks! To further simplify, one of the main issues I see is that the clicking in the Tracks window doesn't set the current position, and it should.
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That's a great video, thanks! To further simplify, one of the main issues I see is that the clicking in the Tracks window doesn't set the current position, and it should. Yes you have summarized the problem, we know that you will find the solution. But have you noticed the Slide on Flyer Rootsy, it's a great song, I love it, especially the Baryton Sax, it makes me laugh every time.
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Just an aside. Jeff (user jpettit) is definitely driving this train, but you should know that a small number of users has been actively discussing this and many other suggestions for improvement. The group very much appreciates the positive feedback here from fellow users and from PG Music staff.
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Just an aside. Jeff (user jpettit) is definitely driving this train, but you should know that a small number of users has been actively discussing this and many other suggestions for improvement. The group very much appreciates the positive feedback here from fellow users and from PG Music staff. Hourra !
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That's a great video, thanks! To further simplify, one of the main issues I see is that the clicking in the Tracks window doesn't set the current position, and it should. Thanks, and to be clear the play head should be in sync in all views, no matter where you set it.
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Does anyone know if the concept of thread safety applies here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_safetyIf so, Microsoft has a testing framework called CHESS that may be useful. I've done a little programming in my time and this sounds a tad applicable.
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I am most certain that PG Music are fully aware of threaded code, as will as thread synchronization, as well as thread management requirements.
Incidentally, all of the song generation tasks in the 2024 version are now multi-threaded.
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I posted the next two videos in the Original Post (OP) on Cursor improvements and Consistent Zoom and Scrolling.
This is a long conversation about pulling many historically independent features of BIAB into a One cohesive working environment.
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Vertical cursor is noticeably missing especially if one is used to using a DAW.
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+1 (and excellent work on these videos!)
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Great deal of work had been done in 2024 BIAB aiming at workflow. MTP Library, non-modal windows, Track view, etc. However, after a construction a good clean up / tune-up is needed. Small things make up big things.
+1 for everything that was mentioned.
+1 to Jeff for making this excellent video.
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YouTube counts show the following in terms of watched videos.
PGM, this is the Customers priority:
1) Shared data across views
2) Cursor improvements
3) Common Zoom /Scroll keys
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Workflow enhancements/issues/bugs that would improve the smoothness of using the multi picker while selecting styles and instruments. In this video I identify 9 issues, 4 bugs, and a few unknowns that improve the overall next level workflow with the new multi picker library. Details: Suggestions: 1) Move style button to the right to make room for text strings. 2) Add color or obvious label to Style/Instrument forms when in "use chords in songs" since it is destructive. Too hard you are in the mode. 3) Add Ctrl + Z capability to Multi picker window so you do not have to click off of it. 4) Auto load Genre 5) Auto Load tracks matching Instrument Family to near search for alternative for that track. 6) Show actual Instrument family name/name in filter string. 7) Move Thru track to the bottom of the Track View since it cannot be used to generate tracks or edit it. 8) Honor User selected track if Drums already exist on track 3. (stop forcing track 3 for drums) 9) Issue/Bug MIDI Tracks Tab is resetting volume of track. Other Tab (instruments do not reset the volume allowing you to turn up volume to audition. Bugs 1) Loops Tab is not honoring auto filters. 15:33 2) Solor is not reflecting in Multi Picker 18:06 3) Category Genre is not accurate for some categories 4) MST Tab are not loading correct preset for Track 1-7. They do work on utility tracks. Issues (break workflow): 1) Clicking timeline does not move cursor playback. This causes you to artificially click a track which throws you off and you use a wrong track to audition new instruments. Unknowns: 1) Strings Family are not associated with Country Genre Not shown in video: Auditioning MST patches is playing entire auditioning file length before letting the patch be assigns. This was on and off when creating the video so there is probably another variable. On my system 4k screen running 125% the Style Tab opens to show about half of the Multi picker library columns. A slight resize will refresh it with all columns.
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Just an aside question. Waht video resolution to you upload?
"...The main difference between these resolutions is the amount of detail they can display. 1080p is capable of displaying much more detail than 720p, and 720p can display more detail than 420p."
Your video is blurry at my end. I think I use 720p which appear to me to be sharp. Are you using 420p?
God knows you have a tough enough job trying to communicate the issues with this picker. Would be better if it was clearer in resolution.
Opps, nevermind, I went back to view and it now looks much sharper. I suspect it was just Youtube adjusting.
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I think it is like 1280p but YT us probably still processing it.
Check back in an hour and if it's blurry say tomorrow I'll upload a higher resolution.
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Yes, Youtube adjusting. All clear now.
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An excellent video and demonstrations of the bugs and issues Jeff.
Well worth the 23 minutes, as you have covered everything in great detail.
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Excellent job, as always. I really hope PG music will finish the multipicker window feature (and other features introduced in 2024) and fix the known bugs before starting to work on more features for 2025.
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