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So I am trying to replace a RealTrack (organ) with another RealTrack.
But when I replace the track in BIAB it sounds garbled, fish-bowl sounding.
Sounds horrible.
How is this even possible?
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So I am trying to replace a RealTrack (organ) with another RealTrack.
But when I replace the track in BIAB it sounds garbled, fish-bowl sounding.
Sounds horrible.
How is this even possible? Tease us with a bit more information. What is the name of the Style? What is the name of the RealTrack?
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I am working with _JAZOR60.STY. It has just Organ and Drums as real tracks. I am trying to substitute the Organ for another organ or piano. When I audition the style they sound fine. But when I select them to play in the song (regenerate) it sounds absolutely horrible.  The RealTrack I am trying to get into the song now is: 737 Piano, Acoustic
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I am working with _JAZOR60.STY. It has just Organ and Drums as real tracks. I am trying to substitute the Organ for another organ or piano. When I audition the style they sound fine. But when I select them to play in the song (regenerate) it sounds absolutely horrible. The RealTrack I am trying to get into the song now is: 737 Piano, Acoustic I just tried and the piano substitute played OK here. Have you ever saved the song as an Audio file? Check the folder that the song is saved in for a WAV file with the same name. If so, rename that file, load the song again and see if it's OK. If there is a WAV file with the same name it will play alongside the song file. I loaded the demo song (the one without the solo tenor sax) and changed the Organ track to Piano as shown: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27484&filename=2024-02-23_13-02-15.jpg)
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I just tried and the piano substitute played OK here.
Have you ever saved the song as an Audio file? Check the folder that the song is saved in for a WAV file with the same name. If so, rename that file, load the song again and see if it's OK. If there is a WAV file with the same name it will play alongside the song file.
I loaded the demo song (the one without the solo tenor sax) and changed the Organ track to Piano as shown: The sound is not only garbled but warbling big-time! It's absolutely horrible. I tried a vibraphone with similar results. No I don't save the song as Audio files. The only time I mess with that is when I export the tracks to Reaper. It seems every time I load BIAB to work with it, it throws a loop at me.
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Can you upload the BiaB song file to DropBox or similar and post a link?
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BIABman, What you are experiencing could be audio artifacts that are related to audio compression/stretching due to using a Realtrack that wasn't designed for the tempo you need. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, so I'll explain it just in case it's not known to you. My apologies if you're already on top of this stuff. At the end of the Realtracks' names, you find numbers that a preceded by sw or EV: examples sw 060, EV 085, EV 120. The sw/EV means a swing feel or an even feel, and the numerals indicate the tempo at which the Realtrack is designed to be used. With this in mind, EV 085 means the track is an even feel and the Realtrack was created at a tempo of 85 BPM, so it is best suited to songs that are 85 BPM. My experience is that 85 BPM Realtracks are usually okay from 80 – 90 BPM songs (the –5 to +10 range). The further away from the Realtrack's creation tempo, the more likely that audio artifacts will be heard. Many organ Realtracks, have a MIDI Supertrack created from them. Because they are MIDI, these MIDI Supertracks do not issues with audio artifacts whatever tempo they are played at. These would be worth having a look at. I hope this helps, --Noel ★ a recent song of mine: Rise And Shine
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BIABman,
What you are experiencing could be audio artifacts that are related to audio compression/stretching due to using a Realtrack that wasn't designed for the tempo you need.
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, so I'll explain it just in case it's not known to you. My apologies if you're already on top of this stuff.
At the end of the Realtracks' names, you find numbers that a preceded by sw or EV: examples sw 060, EV 085, EV 120. The sw/EV means a swing feel or an even feel, and the numerals indicate the tempo at which the Realtrack is designed to be used. With this in mind, EV 085 means the track is an even feel and the Realtrack was created at a tempo of 85 BPM, so it is best suited to songs that are 85 BPM. My experience is that 85 BPM Realtracks are usually okay from 80 – 90 BPM songs (the –5 to +10 range). The further away from the Realtrack's creation tempo, the more likely that audio artifacts will be heard.
Many organ Realtracks, have a MIDI Supertrack created from them. Because they are MIDI, these MIDI Supertracks do not issues with audio artifacts whatever tempo they are played at. These would be worth having a look at.
I hope this helps,
--Noel Thanks for helping out Noel. Yes I am aware of the tempo marking in the track names. I deliberately searched for organ/piano/vibe tracks in the 60 beats area. I don't think this is the problem. I'll investigate Supertracks if I can figure out how. But honestly, I paid for the UltraPak to get access to RealTracks. They aren't working as they should be. Even the original organ was having drop-out issues, that I hadn't even previously mentioned.
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Similar to Noel's testing, this is what it sounds like from a non-Audiophile version running on a fairly cheap laptop with just the internal audio drivers. I don't hear any 'garbled fish-bowl sounding track'. Is this the same or different to what you are experiencing? TooLateNow_LaptopRender
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Thanks Noel. Your version sounds totally different to mine. Could you please explain why? By the way there are two issues here. My original had warbling issues which are gone in your version. It's when I started to replace the organ with other organs/piano/vibes etc. that I got really garbled fish-bowl sounding tracks.
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Similar to Noel's testing, this is what it sounds like from a non-Audiophile version running on a fairly cheap laptop with just the internal audio drivers. I don't hear any 'garbled fish-bowl sounding track'. Is this the same or different to what you are experiencing? TooLateNow_LaptopRenderThanks Audio Track. As I just wrote to Noel there are two issues. His and your versions have not swapped the original organ yet. It's when I started swapping the organ that things really got bad. But your version is playing like the one I sent you guys (like mine). I hope you can hear the big difference between Noel's and yours!
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So just to clarify, the version you sent for us to try is OK and does not contain the changed track that causes the problem?
If that's correct, could you upload the SGU file that does contain the garbled sounds? Presumably that will be the one with the swapped organ track?
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So just to clarify, the version you sent for us to try is OK and does not contain the changed track that causes the problem?
If that's correct, could you upload the SGU file that does contain the garbled sounds? Presumably that will be the one with the swapped organ track? Well almost right. Correct it doesn't contain the changed, problem track. I thought you guys would do that. BUT... the organ on your .wav version sounds the same as mine. Which still has warbling issues, which I never was fond of. Surely you can hear the difference between yours and Noel's? I'll try to set up the tracks with all the problems and freeze them to send.
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I wonder if you audio settings are the problem. Try this... 1) Under "Options >> Preferences >> Audio" set the driver type to MME and regenerate the song. 2) That you Window audio playback is set to 16 bit, 44.1 kHz. This is accessed through Control Panel. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27485&filename=windows playback settings windows 11.JPG)
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Surely you can hear the difference between yours and Noel's? Yes, I definitely hear a difference, which I also expect. Noel is using Audiophile, and no doubt is also using much more superior sound equipment than my very basic laptop setup that currently I only have available to try to help.
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The only warbling that I hear in AudioTrack's file is due the B3's rotating Leslie speaker. This has two speeds, fast and slow. Unfortunately, there is no control over this effect.
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The only warbling that I hear in AudioTrack's file is due the B3's rotating Leslie speaker. This has two speeds, fast and slow. Unfortunately, there is no control over this effect. Huh? You guys have the same file. Why isn't yours giving the B3's rotating sound then?
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We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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