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Regenerate selected track [Resolved] #801593 02/24/24 11:55 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	I am currently having difficulties with BIAB. This time I am trying to regenerate the selected track/bar with F8. I have selected the track and then highlighted the bar, both with freeze on and off, but the bar doesn't change after multiple attempts. This is a RealTrack. Any ideas? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801594 02/24/24 12:08 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,214 Hamlin NY	Have you tried the return to factory settings? Options/Return to Factory Settings/most That may solve your problem. Also make sure the overwrite is checked in the F8 window: Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 1 overright.jpg (79.02 KB, 165 downloads) Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Regenerate selected track MarioD #801595 02/24/24 12:20 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	Originally Posted by MarioD Have you tried the return to factory settings? Options/Return to Factory Settings/most That may solve your problem. Also make sure the overwrite is checked in the F8 window: Thanks for helping Mario! I am usually reluctant to use the band-aid factory settings reset option. People have helped me the past few weeks changing many settings. Some have worked some haven't. But I got to my current settings after implementing a lot of stuff. I would lose all of that by resetting it, on the slim chance it would fix this problem. Overwrite was checked. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801596 02/24/24 12:27 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	I did the reset, got an error message and BIAB did a complete CRASH!!! Restarted BIAB. Tried the Ctrl-F8 and BIAB just kept playing the exact same bars over and over, no change at all. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801612 02/24/24 03:56 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	Originally Posted by BIABman I am currently having difficulties with BIAB. This time I am trying to regenerate the selected track/bar with F8. I have selected the track and then highlighted the bar, both with freeze on and off, but the bar doesn't change after multiple attempts. This is a RealTrack. Any ideas? So that I can get a clearer picture and try to reproduce your problem... When you say you highlight the bar, whereabouts do you highlight it? Is it on the chordsheet, in Audio Edit or in 2024's new Track View? What chord or chords does the bar contain? What is the number of the Realtrack number? MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Regenerate selected track Noel96 #801615 02/24/24 04:30 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Noel96 So that I can get a clearer picture and try to reproduce your problem... When you say you highlight the bar, whereabouts do you highlight it? Is it on the chordsheet, in Audio Edit or in 2024's new Track View? What chord or chords does the bar contain? What is the number of the Realtrack number? Thanks for helping out again Noel. I don't think there has been a single session that has gone by since I installed BIAB 2024 where I didn't encounter a problem. I am in chordsheet mode when I highlight the bar. You shouldn't have to ask what the chords are. They're my fave ones! /AmMaj7 Am6/ Realtrack number 742 Piano. I don't know if this is related to the problem. Each time I unfreeze the track and press Ctrl-F8, after regeneration, the track freezes again BY ITSELF! Is it supposed to do that? If so why? A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801620 02/24/24 05:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	Hi again I tried it in Audio Edit and the Chordsheet and the regeneration of the bar is working okay for me. To be honest, I prefer doing regeneration in Audio Edit as (a) I can see what is happening and (b) there are a lot of tools available in Audio Edit that are very useful. With this in mind, if you have a few minutes to spare, could you please try the following? 1) Open Audio Edit (#1 on the image). The image shows my display in Standard View mode. CTRL+T will toggle between full-screen and standard views if you want to switch to my view. 2) Select "Snap" (this will snap the cursor to the nearest 1/16th of a beat in even time) (#2). 3) Select the piano's track (#3). If no wav form is visible on the piano track, you will need to regenerate the whole song first 4) In the black region of the wav's track, drag the mouse across the bar with the AmM7, Am6 chord to select that region (#4). 5) Click on Edit (#5) to open Audio Edit's 'tool box'. 6) Select generate (#6) and then "Select and Generate Realtracks" (#7). Steps 1 – 6 relate to IMAGE 1. Step 7 relates to IMAGE 2. 7) In the Regeneration Window, check that the track is correct (#8) and then regenerate (#9). (a) The regeneration window should be above the wav display. (b) If it isn't, drag the regenerate window up the screen so that so that you can see the wave. (c) When you regenerate the wav, watch the wav form on the screen. It should change and represent the new sound. (d) After the regeneration is done, the track will automatically be frozen so that the regeneration is preserved and not lost when the whole song is regenerated. (e) It is not necessary to unfreeze the track then regenerating in the Audio Edit window. IMAGE 1 (below) IMAGE 2 (below) Last edited by Noel96; 02/24/24 08:02 PM. Reason: clarifying the information MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Regenerate selected track Noel96 #801622 02/24/24 07:12 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Noel96 Hi again I tried it in Audio Edit and the Chordsheet and the regeneration of the bar is working okay for me. To be honest, I prefer doing regeneration in Audio Edit as (a) I can see what is happening and (b) there are a lot of tools available in Audio Edit that are very useful. With this in mind, if you have a few minutes to spare, could you please try the following? 1) Open Audio Edit (#1 on the image). The image shows my display in Standard View mode. CTRL+T will toggle between full-screen and standard views if you want to switch to my view. 2) Select "Snap" (this will snap the cursor to the nearest 1/16th of a beat in even time) (#2). 3) Select the piano's track (#3). If no wav form is visible on the piano track, you will need to regenerate the whole song first 4) In the black region of the wav's track, drag the mouse across the bar with the AmM7, Am6 chord to select that region (#4). 5) Click on Edit (#5) to open Audio Edit's 'tool box'. 6) Select generate (#6) and then "Select and Generate Realtracks". 7) In the Regeneration Window, check that the track is correct (#8) and then regenerate (#9). (a) The regeneration window should be above the wav display. (b) If it isn't, drag the regenerate window up the screen so that so that you can see the wave. (c) When you regenerate the wav, watch the wav form on the screen. It should change and represent the new sound. (d) After the regeneration is done, the track will automatically be frozen so that the regeneration is preserved and not lost when the whole song is regenerated. (e) It is not necessary to unfreeze the track then regenerating in the Audio Edit window. Thanks again Noel for taking the time to help. I tried all of your steps above. I followed everything except #7. I don't know what is the 'Regeneration Window'? My screen shows two waves, one on top of the other. Is the regen window the top wave? Yes the track was freezing on each pass. I ignored it as you suggested. I was able to hear many different takes this time using your method. However, the whole reason I wanted to do this exercise was to get a legit AmMaj7 chord to sound. None of the takes wanted to cooperate. So this method won't be of help to me. As I mentioned in another thread, I was finally able to get a mMaj7 chord to sound. It was back when I was using the Organ sound. But my faith in BIAB has taken a hit. I can't, on demand, key in a mMaj7 chord and hear it being played. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801623 02/24/24 08:03 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	Sorry. I accidentally left #7 out of Step 6. I've made the correction now. It's necessary to click on #7 to open the regeneration window (which is shown in IMAGE 2). Step 7 is the important step as this is where you do the actual regenerating of the selected region. Last edited by Noel96; 02/24/24 08:07 PM. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Regenerate selected track Noel96 #801625 02/24/24 08:21 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Noel96 Sorry. I accidentally left #7 out of Step 6. I've made the correction now. It's necessary to click on #7 to open the regeneration window (which is shown in IMAGE 2). Step 7 is the important step as this is where you do the actual regenerating of the selected region. Hi Noel. I followed all your steps and get different regenerations. I did it 10 times this time. Not once was a mMaj7 chord played though. I'm sure if I did it 50 times I still wouldn't hear it. I think this time I'll leave this thread 'Unsolved' until someone can help me get an AmMaj7 chord to sound with the piano. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801637 02/25/24 01:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,110 Essex England Bob Calver Veteran
Bob Calver Veteran Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,110 Essex England	Just a suggestion - are we back to the RT in question not actually having the chord you want recorded? BIAB can take any chord entry - thanks to its midi origins - but unless the musician played what you want you'll never hear it. Can you import a midi piano from another style and see what happens?

Re: Regenerate selected track Bob Calver #801639 02/25/24 04:12 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	Originally Posted by Bob Calver Just a suggestion - are we back to the RT in question not actually having the chord you want recorded? BIAB can take any chord entry - thanks to its midi origins - but unless the musician played what you want you'll never hear it. Can you import a midi piano from another style and see what happens? I agree with Bob. I've tried many times and I can't get RT 742 to create AmMaj7. Because of this, I suspect that the original artist did not record this chord. Playable Realtracks, though, should be able to modify the chord to create the major 7th. This would mean manually editing each chord and freezing the track after each change. Provided there is only a single instrument, it would be straightforward. If there were multiple rhythm instruments, though, the process would take a bit more time since each instrument would need to be addressed individually. The below video clips explains Playable Realtracks. There are a couple of sections that relate to them. The first section begins at approximately 9:00 minutes into the clip and deals with solo notes. The next section follows on from this and deals with chords. It's definitely worth watching. Regards, --Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801645 02/25/24 05:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Charlie Fogle Veteran C Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 8,675 South Carolina	There are several methods to get these chords. Use Playable RealTracks, (BIAB has a Playable RealTrack to use for RT742) Use a SuperMidi piano rather than RT742 which may recognize the specific chord correctly or Generate a Hi-Q piano to get the chords rather than use RT742. Save the RT742 track as either a WAV or Artist Performance File to preserve it and it can be imported back into the SGU to then copy/paste the specific chords created using one of the methods above onto the RealTrack 742 in the appropriate Bars using the Audio Edit Window.. It's also possible other RealTrack Pianos may be tested over the Chord Sheet and that session artist did play these specific chords and the instrument sounds close enough to the original RealTrack to copy/paste that chord over the original. Audition other RealTracks by the same session artist even if the Style is different. There may be a usable chord in another Style. BIAB 2025:RB 2025, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.

Re: Regenerate selected track Charlie Fogle #801669 02/25/24 09:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	Thanks very much Bob, Noel and Charlie for your suggestions. I am going to look into all of them today. This whole 'process' has piqued my curiosity about RealTracks in general. I'm going to start a new thread asking questions about them shortly. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track BIABman #801731 02/25/24 08:01 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA	Quote I would lose all of that by resetting it, on the slim chance it would fix this problem. Not true. Navigate to Options > Save Preferences As ... and a window opens that allows you to apply a name and save the current settings. When you want to apply the settings navigate to Options > Open Preferences. Also Band-in-a-Box has a safe mode. Safe mode tells the program to ignore your current settings and use the factory settings instead. This is all done in memory so after you've completed testing in Safe mode you can return the program to normal operation. How To Use Safe Mode Put a blank text file called safemode.txt in the bb\Preferences folder and then open the program. To stop using Safe mode close the program and rename or delete the blank safemode text file. When you open the program you will go back to using your usual settings. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Regenerate selected track Jim Fogle #801734 02/25/24 08:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP BIABman Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Jim Fogle Quote I would lose all of that by resetting it, on the slim chance it would fix this problem. Not true. Navigate to Options > Save Preferences As ... and a window opens that allows you to apply a name and save the current settings. When you want to apply the settings navigate to Options > Open Preferences. Also Band-in-a-Box has a safe mode. Safe mode tells the program to ignore your current settings and use the factory settings instead. This is all done in memory so after you've completed testing in Safe mode you can return the program to normal operation. How To Use Safe Mode Put a blank text file called safemode.txt in the bb\Preferences folder and then open the program. To stop using Safe mode close the program and rename or delete the blank safemode text file. When you open the program you will go back to using your usual settings. Right I remembered that. I was down the Factory Reset rabbit hole suggestion a couple of weeks ago for another problem. It didn't work though. And it didn't work in this case when I tried it. A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !

Re: Regenerate selected track Noel96 #801806 02/26/24 02:00 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,415 Victoria, BC	Originally Posted by Noel96 I've tried many times and I can't get RT 742 to create AmMaj7. Because of this, I suspect that the original artist did not record this chord. ... Regards, --Noel If natural arrangements are turned off in song settings, then it will play the mMaj7 chord. Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Regenerate selected track Andrew - PG Music #801827 02/26/24 04:09 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,033 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Originally Posted by Andrew - PG Music Originally Posted by Noel96 I've tried many times and I can't get RT 742 to create AmMaj7. Because of this, I suspect that the original artist did not record this chord. ... Regards, --Noel If natural arrangements are turned off in song settings, then it will play the mMaj7 chord. Thanks, Andrew. I did not see that coming. I am going to go back and edit my Tips and Tricks post about BIAB not quite playing the chords we wrote. I mentioned Natural Arrangement but have never heard this clear a statement about it. I'm puzzled, though: in some genres like Brazilian jazz, a mMaj7 chord is perfectly 'natural' = expected. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Regenerate selected track Andrew - PG Music #801836 02/26/24 04:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	Originally Posted by Andrew - PG Music Originally Posted by Noel96 I've tried many times and I can't get RT 742 to create AmMaj7. Because of this, I suspect that the original artist did not record this chord. ... Regards, --Noel If natural arrangements are turned off in song settings, then it will play the mMaj7 chord. Thanks, Andrew. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

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