Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
I gotta say, reluctantly, I'm kinda with Eddie on this! laugh

J3 IKR?? When I saw that I almost fell out of my chair!

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Heck, we've even had long arguments here where folks who replace live band members with BIAB bass, drums and rhythm guitar parts in their "live" performances, then turn around and complain that open mic participants are somehow stealing their gig opportunities!

Even more jarring when the whole musical component, to include solos, are presented as a "band". And when the performer is playing something non-descript like bass... wow. Is there a bass solo in every song there, Jaco, so you can show off your chops? Who pays to see a nobody play BASS?

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If you're using BIAB or similar tools to create your music you're not much different from the kid using AI to produce his music. You just drew the line in a different place.

Similar in concept to the early days of 7 foot basketball players. If they were on the opposing team they were "oversized freaks who are ruining the integrity of the game", but when they are on YOUR team they are "a remarkable athlete who takes great advantage of his size".

J3, remember these are the same ilk that said TV was just a fad, decried the invention of the automobile, and refuse to use anything that wasn't the norm when they were young. They also still pay bills with checks that they send in the mail. (Man, it's 2024!!!) I am an old bas***d (I included the ***terisks) and I absolutely LOVE all of this great technology. I can sit in a Discord server and talk to people all over the world in real time. I was chatting with some scambaiting friends last night. We had England, Ireland, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US represented. We can all do baiting calls together, which we do on Wednesday and Thursday. We play characters (with voice changers) and sometimes occupy a scammer for 3 hours straight, during which they can't be calling YOU. This week I played my gangster character, and at one point the guy in England was the bank customer service agent and a woman in Texas was my secretary. We collect bank account and remote connection information and pass it along to the right people to harm the scammer effort as much as we can.

I am trying to imagine my father, who died 34 years ago at 73, understanding what was going on and what kind of voodoo allowed it to happen. Much like the people in the audience in 1993 when Todd Rundgren toured with behind his No World Order album and his "band" was 8 racks of MIDI controlled gear arranged in a circle around him playing lush, lavish arrangements while he pranced around the stage and sang. A woman sitting behind me complained the whole night because he wasn't playing "Hello It's Me". (I REALLY wanted to turn around and say "Lady, that was 20 years ago. People grow. Try it.") I thought it was great. She had no idea how anything worked and had NO intention of embracing anything "different".

Sometimes you just have to turn up the squelch and eliminate the noise.

Last edited by eddie1261; 04/13/24 04:29 PM.