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Hi, I just starting to see this behavior when playing back a song in BIB. It stops all of the sudden past half way of the first chorus. Close it and then open it again then the cursor rushes back to that spot. No matter if it is a new file or an older one.
Any ideas?
Windows 10, latest version of BIB
Thanks for the help
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Definitely try Options > Return to Factory Settings > Most, then restart BIAB.
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Thanks my friend, I'll try that and report back.
Mike B.
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That should do it, but if it does not, please give us more detail. Does it do this with all songs?
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Thanks my friend, I'll try that and report back.
Mike B. Yes, thanks, and looking forward to an update on the situation.
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Hello there, I did a factory reset and no joy, and yes it seems to be doing it with all songs even with pre made styles ones, not always at the same spot though. Weird.
Thanks for any other suggestion.
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Hmm.
When “the cursor rushes back to that spot”, do you hear music all in a rush? I remember that from many years ago but no longer remember what fixed it.
Regardless, I’m curious what other programs could be running in the background. We can tell you how to check that if you need advice.
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Does this erratic behaivor happen only with BiaB or also with other programs on your machine?
Have you run a virus scan lately?
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No, when the "rushing" happens there's no sound, and no, it only happens on BIB. Nothing else is running in the background that I'm aware of.
I think I'm going to reinstall the whole thing again.
I'll keep you all posted
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Ok, after hours of re-installing BIB, I upgraded to the latest version and now I get an error message about "autohost.exe" not running with administration privileges, jbridge might not been working properly. The jbridge I have installed is from 2014, when i try to run it the latest compatibility it shows is of Windows 8. Is that correct?
Not sure this might be the source of the problem but it still does it specially when RT's are present. Help!!
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Try right-clicking BiaB and selecting 'Run As Administrator' to launch it.
Does that make any difference?
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1: Presumably you are running Version 2024 Build 1111. Help > About Band-in-a-Box. Can you confirm?
2: I don't believe that autohost.exe is part of the BIAB package at all.
3: If you upgraded to the latest version, did you log on to your account at PG Music and use the BIAB Install Manager to perform the installation?
4: I don't think that jbridge is now used, so I'm not sure why it is looking for it.
5: Are you running the 64 bit version of BIAB?
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The Install Manager I am referring to looks like this (when you select Help > About): ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28088&filename=2024-06-10_7-29-08.jpg)
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Hi Audio, yes to all of the above, but also, when i play it it plays like at double speed, like one play a 33 rpm rerd on a 45 speed. Frustrating!
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Ok, disregard the speed thing, seem to ply normal now, however the sudden stop at random spots still happens, then when that happens I have to go out and start again, won't otherwise let me do anything.
Thank you all for the help, sorry to be a pain, and yes, I did opened it as an administrator and still do it.
Cheers
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With the 64-bit BIAB, I thought you didn’t need JBridge at all.
The ‘speed thing’ sounds like you have set a 48K sample rate; BIAB needs 44.1.
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Thanks Matt, I'll check that out.
Cheers
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Yes I checked and is set to 44.1
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Mike,
Have you tried the 'ultimate' factory reset?
This is to stop BIAB from seeing the following two setup files. To do this, exit BIAB and rename the two files as I have below. You'll find the files in \bb\preferences
MySetup.DK to Mysetup.DK.old
intrface.bbw to intrface.bbw.old
Once you have renamed them, restart BIAB. This forces BIAB to make new versions of the files without any 'hints' from previous versions. You will need to got into your MIDI and Audio set-up and put those drivers back in place.
Prior to doing the above, under "Options" save your present set-up and then if you need to, you can reload your old settings.
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Also... regarding the "twice as fast", have a look and see that the percentage variation for tempo is set to 100%. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28103&filename=tempo percentage of speed.jpg)
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Thanks Noel, I'll look at that, although the speed situation seem to be ok now.
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Ok Noel, I tried that and the Stopping at random places still occurs. It seems it does it mostly when RT's are present.
Don't know what else to do. You guys have been tremendous.
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cb..
shots in the dark...
1...could you post the bb song file somewhere ...so rest of us can test it.
2..and please note resolving problems is often step by step detective work....so please be patient.
3..please also see my tips in tips forum re useing an existing pc for music production and see if anything might twig you re your system.
note the various optimisation tips and links.
4..for starters please post back details of your system..and a pic of task manager showing memory useage and cpu useage....while running bb.
5..in addition what pg pak do you have ?? ultrapak ??
do you run off the for example upak connected via usb ?? or did you do a full install from the pg pak....or minimal install ??
6..one thing i would test re the stops is...IF you in fact did a install.to your pc instead i would suggest running a test with pg pak drive connected via usb and see if stops go away running direct from the extenal pg drive....note all my work is done useing external connected pg drive and minimal install...never had a problem.just run a test.
7..are you connected to the net while doing music production ??
i never am...cos ive been burnt in the past. see my tips to save retyping.
8..wha make of sound device do you use ??
9..i ensure that win and bb and the sound device are set to
44.1 16 bit...check this on your pc....and sound device.
also does your sound device have a on screen user alp...
if so what is the buffer system ??
the more info you can give the better otherwise people trying to help you are often flying blind.
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Mike,
Is the song an up tempo one with a number of Realtracks? Sometimes fast songs used to catch up with the regeneration process on older computers and playback paused while regeneration caught up. With this in mind, one other thing to try is...
(1) right click on the chordsheet
(2) select Song Settings
(3) activate, "This song has playback problems, disable fast generation" (it's the second last option in the right-hand column)
(4) regenerate the song
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Hi Noel, yes I've done all that and no cigar. Not sure what to do.
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Mike,
Close down BIAB. Now go to the /bb folder and double-click on bbw.exe. This will start the 32-bit version of BIAB. (The 64-bit version is started using bbw64.exe.) When the 32-bit version is ready to go, load in a song and see if it plays.
Also, how is your disk space going? That could cause issues when storage for temporary files is needed. Have the temporary files that Windows creates been allowed to build up at all?
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Hi Noel, sorry I just saw this message. I'll try that. I think that my storage space is ok.
Thanks
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Hi Noel, no matter which one I run, 32 or 64, still do it. is frustrating because I have not done anything different that I'm aware of to cause this, it was fine just a week or so ago.
I'll check Oldmusso tips.
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Mike,
Just checking... when you first generate the song, do all the Realtracks fully generate? You will be able to see if they do by using the new "Tracks View".
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Well.. sometimes might go thru the whole song the first time without a problem, but, sometimes it stop playing before finishing.
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Well.. sometimes might go thru the whole song the first time without a problem, but, sometimes it stop playing before finishing.
Mike B. Hi Mike, Does this mean that when you generate a song and you are watching the tracks get generated in the new "Tracks View", sometimes the tracks don't finish generating? --Noel
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Pete, in your first post you said this:
“ Close it and then open it again then the cursor rushes back to that spot “
Does “it” mean close the song and reload, or close BIAB and reload?
Wild hunch: did you assemble this song using any individual RealTracks that are set to a different time base (double-time etc.)?
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Hi Noel, no, I have not done that. The only time I watched the tracks being generated it so happens that the whole song played ok, but my question is; lets say that the song stopped but the tracks generated fine, what would that means?
Interesting, I'll report back on this
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Hi Matt, I meant to close the song and when reload it the "rushing" happens. And no mostly happens with any song even from the style pick.
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Hi Noel, I did the "song settings" advice an no joy, however i discovered that even tough it stopped at some point before finishing, it generated the real tracks and drums for the whole song, however, I could not play it back.
On another note, I'm sorry to put you all thru this because it has to be frustrating for you all too. I appreciate it immensely!!
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Mike,
Your problem really has me flummoxed now. That BIAB should stop playback at random places and then, when the song is reloaded, resumes playback from the place at which it stopped is something I've never come across before. While it's possible that playback may be affected by something like an intense antivirus check, as far as I'm aware, BIAB does not store playback-resume information, so when the song is reloaded, I have no idea how BIAB takes you back to the spot that the break occurred. This sounds like there is some other program involved that is causing this.
Have you loaded or started using any new software recently?
Also... have you tried using different audio drivers? Whenever I have problems with BIAB, I always try the three available audio drivers ASIO, WAS and MME. Usually, I run on MME as that is the friendliest of divers for BIAB with most systems.
Lastly... do you only run one instance of BIAB at a time or do you have multiple instances open?
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mike.
upthread i ssked for info on your recording pc rig.
its very difficult to help without this info...
eg a pic of active tasks on your pc when your problems occur.
ie a pic of windows task manager...
essentially the rest of us are guessing.without info from you.
i agree with noel i suspect another task running on your pc is locking out biab.
eg are you on the net while running biab....??
i use a seperate pc for the net so there is no possibility of biab being locked out
by a net activity or task...
so please post back the requested info mate...its important so people can help you...otherwise we all are grabbing at straws and flying blind.
please also read my tips in tips forum re useing any pc for music production...
and run the utility in point 1...latency monitor which reports the suitability of a pc for music production....also lots of tips re optimising a pc for music production.
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................................. While it's possible that playback may be affected by something like an intense antivirus check, as far as I'm aware, BIAB does not store playback-resume information, so when the song is reloaded, I have no idea how BIAB takes you back to the spot that the break occurred. This sounds like there is some other program involved that is causing this.
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--Noel A few years ago I had problems with Defender interfering with BiaB. I don't remember exactly what the problem was but when I excluded the entire BB folder from Defender scanning the problem went away and has not returned. CCleaner or any other program that checks files prior or during their movement can interfere also. Have you done a full anti-virus scan? Have you done an anti-malware scan? Have you DL RKill? Or Adwcleaner? All programs are free or have free versions. If I have a problem I run CCleaner, RKill, Adwcleaner, Anti-Malwarebytes, and Windows Security in that order.
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Hi Noel, I did the "song settings" advice an no joy, however i discovered that even tough it stopped at some point before finishing, it generated the real tracks and drums for the whole song, however, I could not play it back.
On another note, I'm sorry to put you all thru this because it has to be frustrating for you all too. I appreciate it immensely!!
Mike B. Could you give us the specs of your computer? You might have to upgrade your computer to a more powerful system in order to fix your problem. 
A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !
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No, I have not run a malware scan or virus yet, I will in awhile.
here are some of the specs:
Windows 10 Home (x64) Version 22H2 (build 19045.4529)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States)
Installed: 6/13/2022 1:41:58 PM
Servicing Branch: Current Branch (CB)
Boot Mode: UEFI (Secure Boot likely not supported by this UEFI)
System Model
Hewlett-Packard p6823w
System Serial Number: MXX12109N3
Asset Tag: MXX12109N3
Enclosure Type: Desktop
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3.00 gigahertz AMD Phenom II X4 960T
512 kilobyte primary memory cache
2 megabyte secondary memory cache
6 megabyte tertiary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (4 total)
Not hyper-threaded
2.02 Terabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
554.48 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
hp DVD RW AD-7251H5 SATA CdRom Device [Optical drive]
Generic- Compact Flash USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 3
Generic- MS/MS-Pro USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 5
Generic- SD/MMC USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 2
Generic- SM/xD-Picture USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 4
SPCC Solid State Disk (1.02 TB) -- drive 0, s/n 139307220D3C00353560, rev SBFMKA.3, SMART Status: Healthy
WDC WD10EZEX-08WN4A0 [Hard drive] (1.00 TB) -- drive 1, s/n WD-WMC6Y0PA4PMV, rev 01.01A01, SMART Status: Health
Now, these are the same conditions like it was before I started to have any problems
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Take a look at the rating of your CPU here. It does not look all that good anymore. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X4+960T&id=369There is another thread here where someone said their computer can run everything else, so why are they having problems with BIAB? In general, I think BIAB is a different kind of program than others and believe it requires more processing power for users to be happy.
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mike....and for any new user reading this.
i agree with matt.
music production is a lot of math work being done by a music app.
so when comparing processors for music production look at the processors performance stats. also single thread performance is important...i recommend a 3000 score.
the main problem being people often load up on resource hungry plugins and orchestral libraries etc
so some pc's just cant keep up....
the other issue is microsecond latency.
...see my useing a pc tip in tips forum...first tip and a link to save me retyping.as well as a link to a utility that tests suitability of a pc for music production.
bottom line...before purchase...and my local friendly pc store lets me do this...i test the pc re microsecond latency...lower the better.
my new music pc has very low microsecond latency stat.
bottom line is... if someone wants an easier life doing music production on a pc...pc choice is very important as well as how its set up.
eg here my new ryzen pc boots into win from power on in just a few seconds and same stat for booting up bb and rb...
with new bb 2024 generation feature...track generation is practically instantaneous.
anyhoo mike read my tips for furthef info before buying any new pc.
note your current pc has a low single thread score.
in closing mike you dont have to spend large on a new pc...
my carefully selected new pc cost only a few hundred bucks.
rb reports it can do over 200 tracks !!
do you anticpate useing ever big resource needy plugins in songs ??...
therein lies the rub.
happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/16/24 03:25 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Matt and om,
Here is some extra information from earlier in the thread that you might have missed.
Earlier, I suggested to Mike that he should try disabling fast generation in Song Settings. The setting is "This song has playback problems, disable fast generation." As far as I'm aware, this forces BIAB to fully generate the song before playback begins. When playback then starts, temporary audio files are played back. Doesn't this stop background generation and so should overcome any problem related to computer power. Even with this setting disabled, Mike's problem persisted. Also, everything was working fine for Mike just over a week ago. He's published many songs on Users Showcase using BIAB 2024.
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MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
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Mike.
I'm still trying to work this out. One thing that occurred to me is that you mentioned that you re-installed BIAB.
Out of curiosity, did you re-install the 1111 update?
Often when the program is reinstalled, it reverts to an earlier build.
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.................................. Also, everything was working fine for Mike just over a week ago. He's published many songs on Users Showcase using BIAB 2024.
Regards,
--Noel That is why I suggested it might be or virus or malware and that he do some complete scans. If it worked OK prior to the problem I doubt it is his computer: that is unless something has failed. Mike after the virus/malware checks run a memory (ram) test: https://www.techpowerup.com/memtest64/Also run this diagnostic tool to check your complete system, including temps and fans: https://openhardwaremonitor.org/
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noel...
all good points but from years on peoples recording rigs...
all songs are different...and mario is correct re net security.
its like an old house...at some point things need attending to...
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Ok, in response to all or some of the suggestions, yes, I did a virus and everything else check, no problem there. To Noel's comment, right, I did posted a few songs just over a week ago, no problem there; I understand that people die overnight and yet we say "but I talked to him last night", the same can happen to a pc. I upgraded the cpu to the highest can go in this pc (nothing special) but had lasted for about seven years. Although sometimes I use "heavy" vst's, mostly on my DAW not inside BIB. Upgraded it to the latest version and even try to run it from the BIB hard drive, still does it.
The only new thing in my set up which I failed to mention is a new set of speaker monitor with an audio interface, but this was since February. No problem there ether.
My next consideration is to get a mini pc with enough juice to exclusively run music software, there are a bunch out there that won't break one's bank. What do you think about that?
Cheers and thank all for the help.
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Mario, i checked the links you sent me and there were no problem with the first one, the second report, I'm not sure what I'm looking for or at, is a very long report, so, i could not tell. I can post it here but like I say, very looong text.
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Mario, i checked the links you sent me and there were no problem with the first one, the second report, I'm not sure what I'm looking for or at, is a very long report, so, i could not tell. I can post it here but like I say, very looong text.
Thanks
Mike B. Mike, run the simultaneously with BiaB. Check for CPU temps and loads, fan speeds, memory loads, etc. This will tell you if something in your system isn't working correctly. For example a fan speed dropping real low, or a CPU spiking etc.
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