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Well I like to think I have a "super duper computer system", However, using your file and editing however possible, best I could get was everything except "smooth triplet eighths"  I am pretty sure I know exactly what we are trying to get here, and as i said I made every combination in F6 for these bars and there was everything but the "one and a two and a" ...
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Well I like to think I have a "super duper computer system", However, using your file and editing however possible, best I could get was everything except "smooth triplet eighths" I am pretty sure I know exactly what we are trying to get here, and as i said I made every combination in F6 for these bars and there was everything but the "one and a two and a" ... It's a tricky bugger for sure. 
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Anyone have sheet music for this? That's my language. Somebody earlier in some thread asked if I know notation. Yes, I do. I have written pieces for big bands and symphony orchestras.
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Anyone have sheet music for this? That's my language. Somebody earlier in some thread asked if I know notation. Yes, I do. I have written pieces for big bands and symphony orchestras. I don't have sheet music for it, but I was trying to trace that magic chord in bar 17. How it got there etc. The best I could do was peek into the Audio view, and see the wave for it. Then I copied it to another bar to see how I could manipulate it. But I still don't have a clue how to enter it in the Chord view. I even tried to copy and paste the invisible bar but that didn't work. Actually, come to think of it, I do have the sheet music for the song, but it's inside a video, if that would help you.
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I was trying to get a style to sound like the band demo they have at their website. ... If you can get the micro chord bar to play smooth triplet eighths I'll be your monkey's uncle. OK, Back to basics. I need to get some clarification. Please explain if the Band Demo you mentioned above played the smooth triplet eights you are seeking. Yes, or No?
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I was trying to get a style to sound like the band demo they have at their website. ... If you can get the micro chord bar to play smooth triplet eighths I'll be your monkey's uncle. OK, Back to basics. I need to get some clarification. Please explain if the Band Demo you mentioned above played the smooth triplet eights you are seeking. Yes, or No? Hi AudioTrack. Oh no. These are two totally separate issues. The Band demo was strictly a general 'style sound' issue. The micro chord bar is dealing specifically with micro chords. There were no micro chords involved in the Band demo/style discussion.
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bbman...
i dont know if this helps but im kinda chuffed at myself...lol.
got it working per your note layout image.
not bad for a dumb rocker like me...lol.
ie...da tada tadadadadadada...right ??
in swing jazz vibe...
heres how i got it...hopefully it helps eg bar 14.
1..i erased the existing frozen vibes real track in track window....then
2..i left bar 14 in chord window blank...then
3...i entered in bb piano roll your note pattern per your note image..then...
4...i used sforzando p!ugin i loaded up on what was your vibes track i had deleted..what was a rt waveform track..now a midi track...then...
5...in sforzando i used playable track set to vibes in sforzando.
et voila...success.
yippee...phew...lmao.
i know its a tad convoluted but it was only way to do it useing piano roll in conjunction with selecting playable vibes real track in sforzando.
to summarise..whats happening here ??...answer essentially we have used a modified playable real track driven by the piano roll triplets you wanted...per your image.
fyi playable tracks are a very nice feature now in bb....
ie essential!y now ...with a bit of work...the song creator now can control what the session muso is doing....see pg manual n vids for further info on playable real tracks etc etc.
maybe youll think my method is rubbish...dunno...buti found it the only
way rather than useing microhords feature....
....its catchy...da dada dadadadadadada...
very cool result imho....
hth...me a happy lad...i hate to be beaten by this stuff.
is it a workaround ??...some might think that...but only solution to the dilemma imho.
happiness.
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Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/16/24 10:49 AM.
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bbman...
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ie...da tada tadadadadadada...right ??
in swing jazz vibe...
to summarise..whats happening here ??...answer essentially we have used a modified playable real track driven by the piano roll triplets you wanted...per your image.
fyi playable tracks are a very nice feature now in bb....
ie essential!y now ...with a bit of work...the song creator now can control what the session muso is doing....see pg manual n vids for further info on playable real tracks rtc etc.
maybe youll think my method is rubbish...dunno...buti found it the only
way rather than useing microhords feature....
....its catchy...da dada dadadadadadada...
very cool result imho....
hth...me a happy lad...i hate to bebeaten by this stuff.
is it a workaround ??...some might think that...but only solution to the dilemma imho.
happiness.
om 🇨🇦🇨🇦 🇬🇧🇬🇧 "ie...da tada tadadadadadada...right ??" Yes that's it. Thanks for going the extra distance on this muso! Rather than me trying to recreate everything you did, for the time being, can you upload your solution (a file) somewhere where I can listen to it first?
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bbman..
ok...suggest a file upload site that doesnt want my personal info and
setting up accounts blah blah.
btw...big day today...england play footie with serbia in euros...
so if you dont hear from for a coupla hours.
when you get the file notice the bar 14 in piano roll...
and sforzando setting..
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bbman..
ok...suggest a file upload site that doesnt want my personal info and
setting up accounts blah blah.
btw...big day today...england play footie with serbia in euros...
so if you dont hear from for a coupla hours.
when you get the file notice the bar 14 in piano roll...
and sforzando setting..
om Not sure, I thought you were the computer guru here? Maybe Google Drive?
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Thanks again for helping muso! I got the file. Nice sparse piano playing. There's just a few problems though. I'm looking for vibes. I'm looking for long held notes with the vibes. And most importantly with this challenge, I'm looking for that micro chord triplet (E9,F9) (E9,F9).
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bbman...
england 1 serbia 0...so far...yay..
ive taken it as far as i can mate...
1.. was mainly focused on bar 14 with an example of triplets per your image.
2..if you want long held notes you can draw them in piano roll...
and remember to leave bar blank in chords window.
3..for vibes...just use a plugin with the midi piano roll driving vibes setting....be carefull in piano roll top left to set to the right track so you see the notes in the piano roll mate.
i think where the disconnect is that you want bb track generation to reflect your bar chord arrangement as you hear in your head...
eg long held notes...but the only way to get what you want and hear what is in your head...im afraid in this song you will need to get down n dirty with the piano roll and enter the notes you wanr...so you take back control from bb generation.
its very important that even tho you enter your chords a certain way in chord window it doesnt necessarily mean bb track generation will obey what you hear in your head mate.
its the same with my songs...eg in my sig..out of 100 songs ive done in bb/rb ...they all needed some editing ...and moveing notes and bars n riffs around till i got what i heard in my head.
heres a big tip for you...in rb is a nifty feature for midi tracks whereby...
an example...lets say you liked that bar 14 and you want same triplets arrange in say bar 39 in rb BARS VIEW...you just copy n paste 14 to 39.
all im saying mate is...sometimes you can get lucky with bb generating a track as per what you hear in your mind...just dont bank on it.
if you want notes to be perfect as you hear in your head re arrangement ya gotta get into the piano roll...THEN have the piano roll drive a playable real track...this gives you control rather than bb.
Bottom line...with this type of song i would get what i hear in my head useing piano roll and or a midi kbd...rather than relying bb to create tracks and making decisions.
keep jazzin...
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OM, you are being very king and helpful, as always, but... you are way off the mark with this one. (respectively said).
The OP wants to use the BIAB features for MicroChords. You know that feature that allows you to place chords in a bar at 1/16th note resolution. It was one of the new 50 new features from years back now. In the F6 menu it has a selection for "triplets". Triplets are not something the OP hears in his head, it is a well defined sound and understood form of notation and playback. But the Micro Chords is NOT playing the chords in this manner.
What you are giving us is a "workaround". Which may be fine. (BTW, I tried to DL you version using midi in the piano roll, but that site you use for storage tried to DL other software along with your file!! - Please git a google account and use the free Goggle Drive like everyone else.
So I can't listen to your file to see exactly how effective your workaround was.
I feel the OPs challenge should remain open until Simon gives it ago and either shows us how it is done or acknowledges it is not working .This thread is NOT resolved.
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What you are giving us is a "workaround". Which may be fine. (BTW, I tried to DL you version using midi in the piano roll, but that site you use for storage tried to DL other software along with your file!! - Please git a google account and use the free Goggle Drive like everyone else.
So I can't listen to your file to see exactly how effective your workaround was.
I feel the OPs challenge should remain open until Simon gives it ago and either shows us how it is done or acknowledges it is not working .This thread is NOT resolved. 👍 Thanks again Dan. You are quite right with what you wrote to Muso above. One small thing though. I made several threads in a flurry a week or so ago. There is actually another thread I made dedicated to this Micro Chord problem (which I do believe is a bug). In this thread however I stated at the top: "I can copy and paste any regular chord from one bar to another, but I can't copy/paste a micro chord bar!" So this thread was about copying and pasting the micro chords that were typed in. Not about getting them to play properly. We eventually figured out why the chords weren't being copied properly on my computer. To copy a bar, I had always simply clicked on a bar with chords and hit Ctrl-C (copy) and then clicked on the bar I wanted to copy to and then hit Ctrl-V (paste). How was I to know that Micro Chords can not be copied using this method?
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drdan and bbman...
when i tested both sites i just got the file...nothing else...so im amazed.
no warning from antivirus etc either.
anyhoo..ive given the old college try and will bow out now...n watch the soccer. i will be interested to see if anyone produces a better solution..
im prepared to get egg on my face...but i feel the solution lies in piano roll use.
anyhoo good news england won...lol.
happiness.
om
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OK, Back to basics. I need to get some clarification. Please explain if the Band Demo you mentioned above played the smooth triplet eights you are seeking. Yes, or No? There were no micro chords involved in the Band demo/style discussion. OK, so if the recording artist didn't record any audio passage on the micro-chord beats, there's no audio to play back. Period. These are pre-recorded audio passages, from 1 to several bars long. It's been explained that this particular style consists of long held chords that resonate.
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OK, Back to basics. I need to get some clarification. Please explain if the Band Demo you mentioned above played the smooth triplet eights you are seeking. Yes, or No? There were no micro chords involved in the Band demo/style discussion. OK, so if the recording artist didn't record any audio passage on the micro-chord beats, there's no audio to play back. Period. These are pre-recorded audio passages, from 1 to several bars long. It's been explained that this particular style consists of long held chords that resonate.Thanks AudioTrack, but we're still not on the same page with this.  I understood what you were trying to say about this the first time you were explaining about what the musician recorded at the session. "OK, so if the recording artist didn't record any audio passage on the micro-chord beats, there's no audio to play back. Period." You've reached an erroneous conclusion here. First of all you are talking about "the recording artist". Which artist are you referring to? Certainly not the band demo artist because they have nothing to do with this conversation at all. So that leaves the recording artist who played the vibes in the style _Jazvibe.sty. How do you know what he/she recorded? How do you know they DID NOT record any micro chords? Micro chords are being played in my song. Just not the right ones and not in the right rhythm. Do you understand what I am saying now? They could have recorded 100 micro chords. We just don't know. Or micro chords might be using a special BIAB algorithm, where they take a full chord and chop it up on the fly. I don't know about that, do you? In any event neither you nor I know what "the recording artist" for the style recorded. And to say, just because I am not getting the micro chord to play, "Well that proves the artist never recorded those specific micro chords" is erroneous I think. I need to add one more very important point. You might have missed the exchange I was having with Matt yesterday on this subject. To both his and my surprise we actually discovered the micro chords being played perfectly in one of my test songs!!! Neither he nor I know how they were entered but they are there for anyone to listen to! What does this prove? It proves that "the recording artist" did in fact record these micro chords OR BIAB is using a special algorithm to create these chords on the fly as I mentioned above.
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Both you guys are on the right track.  In general, what is happening with the MC features is the same thing which applies to many features in BIAB. I call it " Conditional Dependence". The feature operates or does not operate as you expect: depending upon conditions which we don't know and which we may or may not be able to control. Simple right? One of the biggest CD are the styles themselves. How many times has the fix for a specific problem been - choose a different style? Another common CD are the tracks themselves, remember "not all tracks are the same". It is just the nature of the beast. All you can do is try it and if it works great and if not, well put a note in the forum.
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... One of the biggest CD are the styles themselves. How many times has the fix for a specific problem been - choose a different style? Another common CD are the tracks themselves, remember "not all tracks are the same". It is just the nature of the beast. All you can do is try it and if it works great and if not, well put a note in the forum. 👍
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These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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