Mario.

(please see my previous post.)

ok...please could you answer something for me ?
and its at the core of all this.

are you looking for total correlation tween s1 and bb ?
so you can match both screen displays ?
and not have to change your thinking going tween both displays.
eg you have two monitors...
one displaying the OTS in bb and one displaying the OTS in s1 ?
so you want both to look the same on both monitors ideally ? am i correct that the ONLY WAY to get this is to set s1 display to 4/4 ????
and now things match up tween both monitors display wise ?
do you use 2 monitors ? one for s1 and one for bb ?

if i'm correct re the above then its an unsolveable conundrum i suggest....let me explain...

..how i see if a daw has a problem i do the same test in multiple daws. IF all daws match cept one then the one daw that doesnt match i assume has an issue.

..in this case irrespective of 5/4 swing or even...
(all daws set to 5/4) ive found all daws ie...s1 and reaps and mtstudio match. ie...if there were 3 different pcmonitors from what i see all screens would match.
HOWEVER...

..we know that bb handles OTS differently ie...useing a 4/4 paradigm. i'm not trying to be unkind to pg.
i might be wrong...but i suspect its to do with the way the coding has evolved over time. so OTS handling had to be'fitted' into the existing bb 4/4 paradigm ?
only pg can answer this.

..as we know bb is the ONLY daw that does auto accompany...
also notice that when the OTS is imported into s1 it starts at 1 and not -1 like the bb new tracks window.
(another likkle 'wrinkle'.)

given the above i can only conclude its not the fault of s1 that the only way to achieve correlation with bb is to set s1 to 4/4. (how bb works.).
why i'm saying this is all other daws handle OTS odd or even the same way ! ie they match.
(note rb allows for the bb -1 lead in on import of bb song file.)

in conclusion mate i dont think there is a perfect solution.
maybe i'm out to lunch but i feel its a 'perfect conundrum'.
(like many in life eg schroedinger.)

thus i can only suggest you set s1 to 4/4 ?
i see no other way. basically s1 is doing all correctly from what i see as it matches all the other daws.
(i did further tests last night with the various daws.)

am i makeing sense ?? i sincerely hope so.
the only solution i see is if bb were to implement the same
OTS handling methods as the other daws.
but maybe this is difficult due to the auto accompany features the other daws dont have.

as i said a conundrum with no perfect solution.
its just the life of a music app user...lol.
we just have to live with certain things.

ps...can s1 bar settings be set to -1 start lead in ?
addendum....re -1 it looks like s1 will do this...
(but the trial it doesnt look i can try mario.)
ie...in s1...Menu Song > Song Setup > Bar Offset > -1 > hit Apply.
as the bb OTS start at -1
would this help ?? matching in both apps ?

actually thinking about it mario try a bar offset in s1 of -2 ?
do things now match better ?....because in bb with -1 at start
there are 2 bars before the band tracks come in.
ie -1 and 0....see what i mean ?
SO...to match with bb deduct 2 in s1 off the bar 3 band start in s1...gives you band coming in at 1 like bb ??
see what i mean ?? does the offset offer better matching ??
man this is complex...lol.

ps...and maybe rharv can jump on this...what i find interesting is i understood from posts on these fora...but maybe i'm wrong.. that rb used the same back end 'code engine' as bb. so how come rb handles 5/4 differently to bb ?
i'm baffled on this point....as i said the whole thing is very complex....
i would love to hear how mac people handle OTS songs from bb
and if they have to set offset to -2 ? i thought i saw something on the net related to this...eg logic pro on mac re midi imported from other music apps ??



happiness.

om

Last edited by justanoldmuso; 08/17/24 06:07 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs
(90 songs created useing bb/rb)
(lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)