First, check for a bad USB cable. Just swap it out and see.
Second, about the power draw: besides Dan’s question, you might consider getting a tester. Klein Tools makes a tester, about $40 I think for the better of the two models, that checks the available current from the port and the draw of the device, plus of course the voltage (5).
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Does this 'dock' have its own power supply or does it run off the computer?
Either way, it's probably a cheaper fix than a new computer. Not that I want to talk you out of a newer computer ..
rharv: It has it's own internal power supply and an older style USB cable.
A new one only costs $38 from Amazon, if I decide to replace it.
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Just tried to copy some data over to a spare Toshiba 500gb mechanical laptop drive and it failed after 3gb of data 3 times.
See the attachment.
I then used a single USB to SATA cable and it copied 350 GB of data over flawlessly using the same USB port, 2 separate AOEMI backup images were transferred without a hitch.
That's all I needed to see.
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So this gets replaced, right? Or at least the power side of it .. the rest of it may work fine, considering USB to SATA worked, all signs (so far) seem to point to power supply at the Inatek more than the unit itself. I've had wall warts fail more times than I care to count, when the unit itself was fine
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So this gets replaced, right? Or at least the power side of it .. the rest of it may work fine, considering USB to SATA worked, all signs (so far) seem to point to power supply at the Inatek more than the unit itself. I've had wall warts fail more times than I care to count, when the unit itself was fine
Just copied another bunch of files over via the SATA to USB device and had zero problems.
Good idea about the power supply. I have a bunch of them and even have an old Radio Shack universal power supply with different voltage and polarity settings. Will probably try that tomorrow.
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The laptop is an old HP Envy 7 that I purchased back in 2013. I am wondering if the power output of the USB port is being taxed too high with mechanical drives plugged in along with an SSD.
When powering external devices from a laptop, try to connect to the USB port that is as close as possible to the laptop power connection. This minimizes risk of voltage drops that can occur using longer circuit-board tracks on the internal motherboard.
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The laptop is an old HP Envy 7 that I purchased back in 2013. I am wondering if the power output of the USB port is being taxed too high with mechanical drives plugged in along with an SSD.
When powering external devices from a laptop, try to connect to the USB port that is as close as possible to the laptop power connection. This minimizes risk of voltage drops that can occur using longer circuit-board tracks on the internal motherboard.
Older USB 2 ports are normally limited to to 0.5A and (usually?) will disconnect if that is exceeded A lot of external drive now expect USB 3 (blue) ports that can supply 3A.
Some older drives had two USB connections to get over the 0.5A limit. Often they'll work OK on just one connection, but it's pushing luck a bit.
Trace length certainly can be an issue and there's also a small current sense resistance in the the circuit so that an over-current can be detected, so the nominal 3V can drop a little.
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[quote=Gordon Scott.................................... A lot of external drive now expect USB 3 (blue) ports that can supply 3A. ................................................... [/quote]
This unit comes with its own power supply. For years I have the same unit plugged into an USB 3 powered hub and I have never had a problem. In fact the specs for this unit calls for USB 3, this from their website:
" RGB Effect Available: The RGB LED flashes quickly when there is a hard drive working in the docking station. It enters breathing mode when the hard drive is under sleep status or gets removed. Offline Clone: The docking station can operate offline cloning independent from a computer. Fast Transfer Speed: Besides USB 3.0 super speed, the docking station supports UASP, which provides even faster data transfer. Wide Compatibility: Support up to 2 x 10TB hard drives. The product is compatible with almost all kinds of 2.5" and 3.5" HDDs and SSDs on the market. Package List: 1 x Inateck SA02003 docking station, 1 x instruction manual, 1 x 12V/3A Power Adapter, 1 x USB 3.0 Data Cable."
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Ah ok, I was comparing the 2tb Blue vs the 2tb P3+. The 4tb Blue is 1200TBW, still better than 800TBW for the P3+.
Originally Posted by justanoldmuso
could it be that the reason ive never ever had even one drive..old or new tech go on the blink is i always go for small drives eg 256 or 512 ?
I'd expect the opposite, given that smaller drives have less space available to round-robin. Example - if you wrote 1tb to a 1tb drive it only writes each bit once, where if you wrote 1tb worth of data to a 256gb drive that would overwrite every bit 4 times. This doesn't account for the flash controller failing, only the actual NAND flash.
Originally Posted by Matt Finley
First, check for a bad USB cable. Just swap it out and see.
Always the first thing to try. I recently bought a pair of USB-C M.2 enclosures, and both disconnect under any amount of load - but only when using the included USB cables. Using other cables I had laying around, no issues at all.
Originally Posted by Gordon Scott
A lot of external drive now expect USB 3 (blue) ports that can supply 3A.
The blue USB-A ports can deliver up to 900ma. USB C can deliver 1.5A on a single lane or 3A with multi-lane, or higher if using "power delivery" standards.
Originally Posted by Joseph Land
It is definitely pointing to the Inateck DS.
Just tried to copy some data over to a spare Toshiba 500gb mechanical laptop drive and it failed after 3gb of data 3 times.
See the attachment.
I then used a single USB to SATA cable and it copied 350 GB of data over flawlessly using the same USB port, 2 separate AOEMI backup images were transferred without a hitch.
A lot of external drive now expect USB 3 (blue) ports that can supply 3A.
The blue USB-A ports can deliver up to 900ma. USB C can deliver 1.5A on a single lane or 3A with multi-lane, or higher if using "power delivery" standards.
Hmm ... I'll explore that. The USB-A ports I've done have all used the TI power-distribution chips that set the limit at 500mA continuous, with current trip from750mA.
I have a couple of USB-C power supplies that will deliver 3A at 5V or(?) 12V.
The USB 3 Power Delivery spec. says 3A, but if "power delivery" is special, that may explain that. USB has become a bit convoluted and I haven't designed with it in the last few years.
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The blue USB-A ports can deliver up to 900ma. USB C can deliver 1.5A on a single lane or 3A with multi-lane, or higher if using "power delivery" standards.
Simon's quite correct about 900mA for blue ports, I inadvertently checked the "power delivery" specification for power capability, not the main specification, without realising it was a special case. In my defence, at 631 pages the USB-3.1 specification is 1.5 times the size of the BIAB manual and the power delivery specification is a further 381 pages. The base USB-2 spec is another 650 pages, then there are the protocol specs and the connector specs and ....
Where I last worked, when I reported a delay because something on USB wasn't yet working properly (A Windows 7 bug as it turned out) our sales director's response was "It's USB, you just plug it in and it works! What's the problem?". Idiot!
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"It's USB, you just plug it in and it works! What's the problem?".
I do remember the slogan 'Plug and Play' often being referred to as 'Shrug and Pray"
Microsoft in particular were infamous for doing half-baked implementations of the host end. That's why people like FTDI gave up and wrote their own alternative drivers.
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I watched a little of both, but they're really a very low level view of things. The PS/2 interface over USB is almost a kludge just to maintain some compatibility. It's very, very simple.
The device discovery video covers a little more, but stays almost entirely within the basic "Hi, who are you" section of the protocol.
The HMI protocol page which he's showing is about as low in the protocol as one can get and still function, apart from that PS/2 interface over USB.
There's lots more.
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Oh yes, it's low level, no question about that. Ben Eater works at bit level, always.
Oh, I see. No, I meant basic rather than bit-level.
Yes, one one very often does have to get right down to bit-level to manage much of USB, often for stuff that's not really relevant.
I wrote a long-ish explanation, but it's now seriously off-topic, so I binned it.
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