Originally Posted by Lloyd S
Andrew: absolutely the style filters are correct. But no matter how accurate they are, they won't pick up the most appropriate style. Perhaps the Style db (or whatever is being used) just needs more fields, or columns. Sure you could filter further as you (and others here) have suggested, but that doesn't solve the underlying problem. I looked up my BIAB file for this song. The style shows "_UKES140.STY".

All I'm trying to point out here is, there's obviously a REAL person involved when a song is added to the BIAB db. That person has to listen to the song, by the ascribed artist, and make a determination as to what attributes need to assigned, so that the Style Picker has something to work with. Why not use AI at that point and have it figure MORE about the song to make a better determination as to what Style would work.

LLOYD S

+1
This is the key issue!
The current filters does not catch the characteristics/dimensions of the song at hand that gives it it’s specific feel/groove (i.e. what you hear in your head and what you would recognize as very similar in the underlaying groove/feel/characteristics).

The current filter parameters only produces a list of styles with the same filter parameters but without any ressemblance to the feel/groove of the original song.

In order for this to be of any use there need to be another "dimension - attributes/parameters" that catches the essence of the feel/groove of the song at hand (I don’t have any clue what that would be, but it is absolutely needed on order for this function to be of any use at all). I think one dimension that is missing is the ability to search from a rhythm perspective building upp the underlaying groove, characters of drums, bass and rhythm played by the rhythm instrument.

I would guess that the person listening to the song only listening to find and set the basic filter parameters nothing else because there is probably nothing more to filter on in the system (may be to put in a text string as suggested above). And it is probably far to much work to go through the resulting list and mark up any good matches (the same work as the users are expected to do).

It is very useful to have the filter parameters set (but I could also set them myself). What I really need the system helping me with is to take it from there.

It is obvious that there is a need to characterize a song in more dimensions in order for this to be of any use.
It is quite easy to know when listening to a style that ressembles well with the song at hand that it is a good match but I don’t have a clue what makes it up, Of cause it is the basic filter parameters in the bottom but there are so much more needed in order to hear it as a good match.

I don’t have a clue what it could be but maybe other users could suggest what is needed in order for a good match. I don’t think it is the number of instruments or type of instruments as such one can often hear that there is a good match in the underlaying groove/feel. (How much can be removed from a style or a song and still have a good match).

Much of the potential power of BIAB and its huge music library falls flat if the users can't easily find what they are looking for.

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