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Check out this and keep in mind the possibility as related to our Style Picker.
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Software has always been stumped with the "do what I'm thinking" challenge.
+1 Smarter Song search including instrument.
+1 On deeper meta data and improve classification in the library.
+1 Multiple column sorting (let the human find it)
+1 Pattern matching ala Toon Tracks Bandmate and tap to find
+1 Star similarity maps (just another way to zoom in)
+1 AI search, (if PGM can train on the help file, they can also train it on their meta data library) Note: This will only improve things if the data is there. (machine learning only learns from its source)
Not brought up but PGM did make a small step in the right direction in 2024 with the filter drop downs including the style in the Feel, BPM, signature fields, they just failed to make it the default.
The root of the issue is good meta data (data about data).
Odds are "do what I'm thinking" has something to do with genre, feel, time signature, BPM, note duration and instrument, so make it automatic the default and easy to zoom in or out of attribution. " Best substitution is also an attempt this space.
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Yes,
It would be great!
... also if it was possible to analyze and categorize an existing song and drop that into the "Star Map" and having all BIAB styles,RDs,RTs as stars around it in the universe...
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The UI portrayed in this video is quite powerful and represents advanced programming design.
The "Star Map" reminds me of the K-Nearest Neighbor approach for classification that I've used to solve engineering problems.
I don't have any of the EZ products, but if it actually works as shown it's quite impressive indeed.
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Interesting, but in case of AI I would need an On/Off button, as I don´t trust AI´s listening ear.
I typed artist eg. Tiny Tim and there I found (1) tune with Uke.
OR in styles or Real tracks tabs: type ukulele there is more and not too much to choose from.
Im sure that is the possibility for BB at the moment regardless of AI
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It's a big topic, because it's not only about the styles, but searching for content in general. Likely in some near future, whole PGM content library could be AI analysed and properly tagged for styles, feel, groove with attributed percentile of similarity to search query.
However, some items, I believe should be done to handle sorting better without AI. As a pre requisite to something more advanced. One example would be nested sorting, where previous choices of the columns are respected. Now we have "field" sorting, where sorting of on column resets / disregards sorting choice(s) made on previous column(s).
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One example would be nested sorting, where previous choices of the columns are respected. Now we have "field" sorting, where sorting of on column resets / disregards sorting choice(s) made on previous column(s). Yes, this has been suggested multiple times previously, and would definitely be a worthwhile enhancement.
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dont stomp all over me people but playing devils advocate...
imho no matter the fancy code in AI in the future...if one relies on it then i would argue one is gonna miss some great pg content/riffs to use in a song.
happiness.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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dont stomp all over me people but playing devils advocate...
imho no matter the fancy code in AI in the future...if one relies on it then i would argue one is gonna miss some great pg content/riffs to use in a song.
happiness.
om om, that is a very good point. However if one is looking to record a cover song or composing an original in the style of a cover song wouldn't having AI match styles to said cover song be beneficial? As you pointed out Ai is not the perfect solution for every situation and in fact I wouldn't use it for my originals. YMMV PS - I would never totally rely on AI in any situation.
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My thought would be, to have AI HELP to figure out the "Best" style/styles for the song you entered into the "Type in a familiar song title ... " box, and just put it/them at the TOP of the list, not to the exclusion of all the other styles in your library. That way you wouldn't miss any of the styles that the current StylePicker algorithm uses.
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Mario and Lloyd.
of course your points are correct.
great points.
only thing that concerned me was in industry we tried to build 'smart systems' but of course there is only so much can do in code. ie...only so far a developer can use AI.
lmao...i'll be impressed with AI when i can say to it go build me a e type jag at no cost.
or one of those nice vettes.
frankly i feel the subject is unsolveable for pg as even more content is added every year. what i mean is in the coming years lets say the pg content is 3 times todays...what programming techniques can pg employ to ease user frustration when going through such huge content. and what about a user like myself that likes to 'cross pollinate' tween music genres.
simple example...use a jazz riff in a rock song.
in summary its gonna be a big challenge for pg imho.
and one i'm not sure there is a good solution for.
just another simple example...the nice synthmaster has around 2000 choices...but...how many people are willing to explore each to see which might turn their song into gold.
lol...its a conundrum wrapped in a catch-22 wrapped in an enigma
wrapped in a paradox...
like schroedingers cat ...just google for info.
ie...ya dont know if a a piece of pg content will apply till ya try it in your song.
i frankly dont know what i'm going to do in the coming years re pg content because, on a serious song...i will go through every piece of pg content i can so i dont end up fretting 'did i miss something that would make the song better ?'
i already have problems cos auditioning all pg session musos i often end up
with over 40 i like. so i then have great difficulty deciding which ones to use
cos i like sooo many.
happiness.
om.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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You may have lost the gist of the thread. My suggestion has nothing to do with using AI in the song writing process. Instead i wonder if it can be used in the Style Picker to better associate a bb style with an existing song example.
Perhaps I don’t fully understand your last post.
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For those that follow AI development, OpenAI recently released a new model called o1 (previously referred to under the code name “Strawberry” and, before that, Q*). This model is designed to reason, not just spit back info it was trained on. According to the developers "OpenAI o1 . . . exceeds human PhD-level accuracy on a benchmark of physics, biology, and chemistry problems.""In many reasoning-heavy benchmarks, o1 rivals the performance of human experts." The impact this technology will have on music creation will steadily increase across industry and hobbyists alike. Learning to Reason with LLMs
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We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
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