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Hi,i have bb2010 with usual free swing doublebass,although where does swing come from,i'm laying down a hotclub style honeysockle rose tune,but i simply want the bass to play the root and fifth,as did ALL swing players then and now,when you open with the melody in swing,the bass player keeps it tight and simple untill soloing,but my double bass is completely random,how can i simplify this idiot,does bb 2015.5 allow better control,is there another realtraks which would suit me better than this feeble freebie,otherwise will go back to note by note plugins,i just want a simple steady jazz doublebass,jesus!
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The post is rude, condescending, and uses language not suitable for a public post.
I refrain from replying.
I love it how everyone with a couple of posts is a specialist in musicology and understands to a T each genre and instrument.
And I'd like to see said person saunter over to the bass player and tell him off, that for the duration of the song he must play only the root and the 5th. Ground Bass. Maybe he could give the guy the bass line to Pachbel's Cannon and let him garden.
Of course lets fail to mention the awards in the closet for some of the jazz players in the Real Band and distill a part down to a Grade 1 music course. Ba Bump Ba Bump Ba Bump (snore).
John Conley
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Some of the RealTrack bass have variations such as A 'simple' or B 'walking'. In the RealTrack Assign window, check the 'Show RealTrack Variations' box. See if one of those helps. Also, try a different RT. I've found the Pop Swing Acoustic bass is much gentler than the Jazz Swing bass.
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Before RTs we used to edit the midi bass patterns from the BIAB styles.
You can always find the closest RT and then edit the wave file to fit your desires. Bit more work, but if there is nothing YET do what you gotta do.
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dear john conley,
i'm now 40 and have actively been involved in music since i was six,like my sister too,i was born into a musical family,normaly i play hot club swing,if you take time out to watch an instructional video of stochelo rosenberg,he critisizes his rythmn guitar player for playing one tiny mistake in the whole song,i don't care much for award winning muscians and all that,i wasn't for the record critisizing the musicians,but the software,as for bieng a no it all for having posted a couple of questions,for the record,i had musical theory shoved down my throat for years,please spend your time critisizing others,i just simply wanted a backing track where the bass would not constantly wander,allowing me,as a guitarist to lay down a melody line,
thanks
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in swing,the bass player keeps it tight and simple untill soloing,but my double bass is completely random,how can i simplify this idiot,does bb 2015.5 allow better control,is there another realtraks which would suit me better than this feeble freebie,otherwise will go back to note by note plugins,i just want a simple steady jazz doublebass,jesus!
Ok, I'm trying to hold back here, one mans definition of swing is certainly not everyone's. Glen Miller isn't swing? Ray Brown isn't swing? Miles Davis isn't swing in his early years? Not a lot of one/fives in there.
"How can I simplify this idiot"
What?! What is that all about? A bit insulting, don't you think? John's point about a noob coming in here with a couple of posts saying stuff like this is right on imho. Look man, Real Tracks are prerecorded by the best players in the world like Neil Swainson who only worked with Miles for years. Some idiot, eh? If you want a particular RT style, fair enough put in a request in the Wishlist forum like everybody else and PG will decide if it's worth it or not to put in the studio time to create it. Otherwise, do it in midi.
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with idiot,i mean't the program,i've worked with country players,with bluegrass,the bassplayer must apsolutely not get tempted to sway,like a well oiled machine,scruggs band for example and in jazz i'm not talking about miles davis,but zillions of tunes by hotclub players notably in the manouche style,i just simply want a C7 to be a C7 before resolving to f,that's all,in a band i would simply ask a bass player to keep straight untill the solo's,there's a saying,"less is more",okay take it easy
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The idiot is playing what you tell it. If you want a IV7, I which is what you wrote use midi and a good sound module like a Ketron SD2 or the XP compatible Dxi synth and have at it.
Input the chords the way you want and stay away from RealBass tracks, where the idiot has a brain cell or two.
Learn how to take a track and move it so it's static and have the bass in the soloist part so you have control over every note.
Also turn off chord embellishment if it's on.
And learn to audition styles and how to narrow them down.
BTW I was playing that stuff before you wore diapers so the condescending I'm 40 doesn't crack it with me, and you have no idea what musical background I have or don't have. Have I met your sister? Is she way older than you and hung out at Rochdale College in Toronto in '66 playing the 12 string?
I and V as a static bass line with the IV7 before resolution would be basso ostenati. The latter word seems to have more than one application here. Take 5 may have had more of a meaning than some think, so we can look beyond Pachbell and move onwards and upwards...to the Beatles even....
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Reminds me of a famous line in the old sitcom, Leave It To Beaver, when Beaver's Mom is speaking to her husband, Ward, and says "..Jeeze Ward, you were a little hard on the Beaver last night"  Lets all back off on the caffiene and cut this guy a little slack. Otherwise we end up in another one of those flame wars which is so uncharacteristic of this forum. Afterall, no one is going to prove their musicanship by typing comments in this forum. I'll sit down and shut up now. 
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June Cleaver was hot! Course i did not understand that until i got a bit older!
Anyone else think the name Beaver Cleaver was funny?!?!?
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There are simpler basses: e.g. #536 Bass, Acoustic, Pop Sw
Bass, Acoustic, Pop Sw 120
That should work well for the use that you are looking for.
If you prefer the 'b' section from the jazz style, you can have them both in the song, and switch between them (using the F5 bar settings to mute one of them at all times)
Have Fun!
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with idiot,i mean't the program,i've worked with country players,with bluegrass,the bassplayer must apsolutely not get tempted to sway,like a well oiled machine,scruggs band for example and in jazz i'm not talking about miles davis,but zillions of tunes by hotclub players notably in the manouche style,i just simply want a C7 to be a C7 before resolving to f,that's all,in a band i would simply ask a bass player to keep straight untill the solo's,there's a saying,"less is more",okay take it easy
No problem, just refrain from jumping in with a new topic using terms like idiot and jesus, all I want is....whatever.
I completely understand what you're looking for. It's possible one of the simpler country or bluegrass RT basses might work but you need to understand that RT's are audio files. There's a ton of work involved to create just one and then do it in several tempos so it can work with more than just one song. You probably already know the difference between audio files and midi. Audio can be tempo streched but only 10% or so, so there may be a perfect bass recorded at a tempo of 100 but you need it at 125 and it won't work without a lot of glitching so there's another bit of frustration. There's ton's of posts about that here. Another thing that some people constantly fail to realize is with audio files you can't edit the RT's note by note. You can cut and paste phrases in Real Band if you want but for an exact note for note line you need midi. If you go and have a look at the Wishlist you will see gazillions of different requests for all kinds of RT styles because the RT's have become extremely popular because they sound awesome compared to even the best synthesizers. I've got several in there too. We can't all have exactly what we want all the time. If none of the current library of RT's work for you then it's a case of patience grasshopper...Two or three times a year they've been coming up with a new updates along with a bunch of new RT's. And, don't worry they're not all one style like straight ahead jazz, we've got great country, hard rock, southern rock, new age all kinds of stuff now but naturally even within those genre's there's still substyles that you can make a good argument for being there but are not. Eventually, there's going to be terabytes of RT's not just the 150 gigs that are available now.
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I think someone has been reading my mail. I really do have problems with the jazz base lines on jazz RealTracks and it is quite hard to find a straight four-in-the-bar rhythm without the grace notes, quavers and quaver triplets. Plus, as I have said before on the forum, some of the lines make it difficult to tell where '1' is because they don't start the bar on a logical base line note - certainly not a note that, when one is improvising, gives you too much of a clue as to where you are and what the chord is. Perhaps, in real-life playing with my band, I listen too much to the base player. Not really though because most of the jazz musicians I know do the same thing.
I did put this criticism into the wish list area along with a request for some faster tempos. I do not know exactly what happened but it did not last long.
I don't have the same problem in midi.
I am going to have a good look at those styles that Peter recommended to see if they are any better.
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