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Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? [Resolved] #825071 10/07/24 02:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76 B bobcarwell OP Enthusiast
OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	I have Soundiron "Emotional Piano" installed on my Win 10 PC. When I click on a piano in the Instruments folder (a Kontakt V5 player .nki file) Kontakt comes up, it loads and plays fine. But in BIAB when I try to add it as a VST in Options it doesn't show up. I've tried searching the directory where the instruments are and it doesn't find a VST. What am I doing wrong ? Is the VST somewhere else and how do I find it ? I've got about 5 drives- should I search them all ? Bob

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825081 10/07/24 04:13 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,728 Hamlin NY	Bob, are you using the 32 bit or 64 bit Win 10? Note that you must match the version of Kontakt 5 Player to the OS, i.e. 32 or 64 bit. Question #2 - Does Kontakt 5 player come with a 32 bit version? If yes and you are using the 64bit BiaB the 32 bit Kontakt player will not show up. Also if Kontakt is a VST3 BiaB will not see it. As far as your 5 HDs, take one of them and put all of your VSTs on it. That would make your life a lot easier. Put all of the 32 bit VSTs in a folder like C:/Program Files (32)/VST, your 64 bit VSTi2s in C/Program Files/VST, and your VST3s in C/Program Files/Common Files/VST3. This works for me. YMMV Note that you could use a wrapper to convert the the Kontakt 5 Player to either 32 to 64 bit or 64 to 32 bit but in the past I have found them to be problematic. With everything going to 64 bit wrappers are no longer needed. I arrived early to a restaurant. The manager asks, "do you mind waiting a bit?" I said no. "Good", he said. "Take these drinks to table 3" 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825083 10/07/24 04:16 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,962 Wauconda	Does this help? This is for BIAB 2024 (64bit) and Kontakt 6 TYPE=VSTi;NAME=Native Instruments GmbH: Kontakt;ID=Ni$D;SHELLID=;PATH=C:\Program Files\Native Instruments\VSTPlugins 64 bit\Kontakt.dll Last edited by DrDan; 10/08/24 03:47 AM. Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? MarioD #825111 10/07/24 07:09 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	MarioD- I'm using 64 bit Win 10. I will check tomorrow, but pretty sure the Kontakt 5 is also 64 bit. Pretty sure Kontakt isn't a VST3, but will also double check. What is the best, quickest way to find all the VSTs ? Is there someway to do a global search of the drives for "VST" rather than manually going through all the files ? I think some VST 2's are buried after install in the folder of the instrument, right ? Will a general search in the Windows search function find them all ? Bob

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825138 10/08/24 03:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,962 Wauconda	Originally Posted by bobcarwell MarioD- I'm using 64 bit Win 10. . What is the best, quickest way to find all the VSTs ? Is there someway to do a global search of the drives for "VST" rather than manually going through all the files ? I think some VST 2's are buried after install in the folder of the instrument, right ? Will a general search in the Windows search function find them all ? Bob EVERYTHING is an indispensible tool to search all your drives for any title https://www.voidtools.com/ Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? DrDan #825146 10/08/24 05:50 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,728 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted by DrDan ................... EVERYTHING is an indispensible tool to search all your drives for any title https://www.voidtools.com/ Thanx Dan. I hadn't heard of this one. Just DLed it. I arrived early to a restaurant. The manager asks, "do you mind waiting a bit?" I said no. "Good", he said. "Take these drinks to table 3" 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? MarioD #825152 10/08/24 06:35 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	WOW ! THANKS for the tip ! Where has this been all my life ? Will use immediately and I'd bet its gonna find my VSTs spread over 6 or so hard drives. After your tip I found many YouTubes on it. For those following this thread, this appears to be a good one: All the best, and thnx again Dan ! Bob

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825154 10/08/24 06:50 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,962 Wauconda	From my fading memory, I think we actually have Matt to thank for this reference. Do I remember that right Matt? Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825155 10/08/24 07:10 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,962 Wauconda	I just did a test with my BIAB 2024 and full Kontakt 6. I put a NI piano on the Chords Track and it played just fine. Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825162 10/08/24 08:05 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,728 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted by bobcarwell MarioD- I'm using 64 bit Win 10. I will check tomorrow, but pretty sure the Kontakt 5 is also 64 bit. ..................................................... Bob OK great. What version of BiaB are you using? You must be running the 64 bit BiaB to see a 64 bit VSTi like your Kontakt Player. If you are running the 32 bit BiaB it will not find a 64 bit VSTi like your Kontakt. I arrived early to a restaurant. The manager asks, "do you mind waiting a bit?" I said no. "Good", he said. "Take these drinks to table 3" 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? MarioD #825178 10/08/24 01:51 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	Running newly installed 64 bit BIAB 2024. Bob

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? MarioD #825198 10/08/24 06:23 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	Here is the definitive answer from Simon at PGMusic Tech Support as to why I was not able to get Kontakt plugins like my Emotional Piano to show up in BIAB. Much more complex than just hunting for my VSTi in BIAB "Options". Explains completely why this was NOT the solution. From Simon's note to me: ***************************************************** Plugins like Kontakt need to be "added" to BIAB - they are not automatically added. To do this, please look at the "Plugins Options" section of this manual page: https://www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter4.htm#mixer In short, you'll need to open the Plugins Options window, then add the plugin from there. By default the VST2 plugins from Native Instruments are installed to "C:\Program Files\Native Instruments\VSTPlugins 64 bit", however yours may be located elsewhere. Adding the plugin to BIAB only needs to be done once. Once the plugin is added to BIAB, you will need to add the plugin to each track you wish to use it on. As Kontakt is not a General MIDI plugin, it will not work as the default synth, and must be added to individual tracks. Please see this tutorial video: In particular, 3:18 explains details of what types of plugins will work in BIAB, then 5:36 explains how to add a plugin to a track. ******************************************************* Tomorrow I will be following his instructions precisely and hopefuly it will end my saga of floundering for several days with what seemed to be a very simple, straightforward task. Especially since I got several VSTi's to work immediately in BIAB....EXCEPT for the Kontakt based ones.. Very eye opening and frustrating to this Newb how complex and confusing this stuff can get. And no amount of searching the Web and Forums can seem to help in some of these issues. Anyway, hope this benefits others with the same issue. And Kudos to Simon for a very clear explanation. There is NO WAY I would have figured this out otherwise. God Bless BIAB Tech Support !!!!! Best, Newbie Bob

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825201 10/08/24 07:16 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	Couldn't wait until tomorrow. Just finished following Tech Support Simon's instructions and happy (no... DELIRIOUS) to report it WORKED. No way I could have figured this out without Simon's support. And it came the same day I put in a support request. I now have access to all my Kontakt instruments in BIAB. I am blown away. Couldn't stand knowing it was possible but having to forego all those Kontakt libs I've got in BIAB. Persistence, persistence. My take away from diddling with BIAB. Just unfortunate how complex it can be. All the best and thanks to all for responding. Bob

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825213 10/08/24 10:00 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	A great outcome, Bob. Fantastic in fact. You might consider to open your original post and click the 'Mark As Resolved' button. This can help others find solutions in the future. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? AudioTrack #825225 10/09/24 04:08 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	I tried but cannot find the "Mark as Resolved" button. Where is it ?

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825232 10/09/24 06:05 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted by bobcarwell I tried but cannot find the "Mark as Resolved" button. Where is it ? It should be at the bottom of your Original Post. It should look exactly like this: Is it not there? BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? AudioTrack #825233 10/09/24 06:37 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP bobcarwell Enthusiast B Joined: Sep 2024 Posts: 76	Yes its there and I used it. (I was not looking at my ORIGINAL post, and the button does not appear on subsequent ones). Thanks. Bob

Re: Why won't Soundiron piano show up as VSTi ? bobcarwell #825235 10/09/24 06:45 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Excellent. A great outcome all around. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

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