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Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass Matt Finley #825883 10/16/24 12:10 PM Off-Topic
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OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,574 United States	Originally Posted by Matt Finley Steve, for your talk on AI powered bass track separation, have you found any research that explains anything about how AI is being used by Studio One Pro 7 when no other stem separation programs mention AI? I realize that Presonus isn’t going to publish trade secrets, but I found one review who said the Zplane plugin gave the same results. No, I haven’t found any info regarding how S1 does its stem separation; and I’ve done some looking. As you point out, this is a highly competitive domain with guarded trade secrets. In my mind, as I’ve mentioned before, the companies that will be successful will be those that have the foresight to engage with strong partners in the field. Developing this technical expertise in-house is all well and good until you find how long it can take. But collaborating with SMEs (Subject Matter Experts) doesn’t come cheap either, unless you can find a few 20-something grad students to join the team that are well connected to the IEEE Signal Processing Society or similar technical organization. I’m not disputing that stem separation in Studio One works pretty well for me so far, but marketing companies are putting ‘AI’ in so many product descriptions now with no details, just because it sounds cool. How is this not just a good computer algorithm doing what it is programmed to do? What is it choosing to do that makes it simulate being intelligent? This is a BIG question but for starters it’s about the number of parameters in your model. I’m hearing some good things about Banquet. This model has over 24 million parameters and is described as stem-agnostic as opposed to the 4 stem VDBO (Vocals, Drums, Bass, Other) that most separation models are limited to. I’m also hearing about better SNR performances compared to say, Spleeter. Who knows, maybe Notion 7 “now with AI” will do wonders. For example, maybe it could look at my four trombone parts and tell me how I could voice them better. Now that would be intelligent. This would be sweet with a capital S. It “just” takes good model development. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Screenshot 67.jpg (30.72 KB, 107 downloads) https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

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State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/02/24 12:43 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Brian Hughes	10/02/24 03:41 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/02/24 03:51 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Brian Hughes	10/02/24 10:15 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/02/24 06:17 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Mike Halloran	10/02/24 07:46 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/02/24 08:36 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/02/24 09:08 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/02/24 11:18 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Mike Halloran	10/02/24 11:18 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/03/24 02:01 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	TheMaartian	10/03/24 07:49 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/03/24 11:54 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	TheMaartian	10/04/24 08:19 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/04/24 04:47 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	TheMaartian	10/04/24 08:11 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/04/24 11:27 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/04/24 11:59 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Mike Halloran	10/06/24 01:22 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Janice & Bud	10/06/24 08:22 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/06/24 10:18 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/07/24 10:05 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/07/24 01:59 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Cerio	10/06/24 10:50 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Mike Halloran	10/07/24 11:22 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/07/24 11:58 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/08/24 01:00 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	bloc-head	10/08/24 01:41 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/08/24 02:43 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/09/24 12:00 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gordon Scott	10/09/24 10:50 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/09/24 12:53 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gordon Scott	10/09/24 03:49 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/09/24 04:35 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/09/24 03:55 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/09/24 03:22 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	shlind	10/09/24 02:23 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/09/24 08:09 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/09/24 07:16 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/09/24 11:10 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 12:53 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/10/24 12:53 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 03:12 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	MarioD	10/10/24 03:14 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gordon Scott	10/10/24 03:41 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 03:50 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gordon Scott	10/10/24 09:12 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/10/24 09:23 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 03:08 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/11/24 12:27 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gause Zdenek	10/11/24 01:30 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DrDan	10/11/24 01:13 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/11/24 01:57 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gause Zdenek	10/11/24 04:44 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/11/24 11:44 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/11/24 12:18 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/11/24 03:32 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DrDan	10/10/24 02:32 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DrDan	10/10/24 02:50 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 04:18 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 03:39 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gordon Scott	10/10/24 02:59 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/10/24 05:07 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 06:11 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DC Ron	10/10/24 05:53 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 07:05 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/10/24 06:27 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	shlind	10/10/24 10:00 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/10/24 10:57 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	MarioD	10/11/24 12:08 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Gordon Scott	10/11/24 10:56 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/11/24 05:16 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	shlind	10/11/24 06:19 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/11/24 06:24 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DrDan	10/11/24 06:25 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/11/24 08:35 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/12/24 04:17 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/12/24 05:57 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Brian Hughes	10/13/24 02:22 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DC Ron	10/13/24 08:11 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Brian Hughes	10/13/24 11:22 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DrDan	10/12/24 04:42 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/12/24 06:03 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/12/24 07:54 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Cerio	10/13/24 02:11 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/13/24 05:02 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Cerio	10/13/24 07:12 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/13/24 11:57 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Cerio	10/14/24 01:45 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Brian Hughes	10/13/24 11:19 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/12/24 05:42 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/12/24 08:13 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/12/24 08:37 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/13/24 04:19 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	TheMaartian	10/13/24 07:54 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/13/24 12:48 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/14/24 03:37 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/14/24 11:45 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/14/24 12:03 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/14/24 01:19 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	AudioTrack	10/14/24 12:42 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/14/24 12:26 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	MarioD	10/14/24 12:37 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	DrDan	10/14/24 01:07 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/14/24 01:35 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/14/24 01:31 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/14/24 02:31 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/14/24 04:34 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Cerio	10/15/24 05:14 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/15/24 11:53 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/15/24 12:31 AM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/15/24 06:14 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Brian Hughes	10/16/24 12:01 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	MarioD	10/16/24 12:24 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Brian Hughes	10/16/24 08:56 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Bass Thumper	10/16/24 12:39 PM
Re: State-of-the-art Stem Separation for Bass	Matt Finley	10/16/24 01:40 PM
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