|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,953
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,953 |
[ I'm glad I like to mix with monitors because I get ear fatigue quickly with headphones/pods/buds. Try some nice open-back headphones if you haven't already - they typically don't suffer from anywhere as much ear fatigue as closed-backs. . Thanks Simon, I use a pair of Sennheizers from the HD500 range - open backed & comfy - I'm onto my third set of foam pads - they sound good, feel good but I still get tired ears and sore skull from the phones pushing my specs into the side of my head.
Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,661
Product Manager
|
Product Manager
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,661 |
I use a pair of Sennheizers from the HD500 range - open backed & comfy - I'm onto my third set of foam pads - they sound good, feel good but I still get tired ears and sore skull from the phones pushing my specs into the side of my head. Ah yes, glasses. Might be worth trying something that's lightweight and on-ear like Grados (though those aren't quite what I'd suggest for monitoring, not exactly flat).
I work here
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,468
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,468 |
Ah, glasses.
Obviously the following doesn't help if you don't have similar frames as mine, but it might be useful to be aware of.
I hadn't considered the issue of glasses, despite wearing the or contacts for most of my life.
It hasn't really effected me, though it does with my headset mic, which has hops over the ears.
I guess that the reason I haven't had the issue is because I wear very thin and lightweight titanium half-frames. They're thin enough and light enough that I don't notice them with headphones.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11
BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software.
Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793 |
Ah, glasses.
Obviously the following doesn't help if you don't have similar frames as mine, but it might be useful to be aware of.
I hadn't considered the issue of glasses, despite wearing the or contacts for most of my life.
It hasn't really effected me, though it does with my headset mic, which has hops over the ears.
I guess that the reason I haven't had the issue is because I wear very thin and lightweight titanium half-frames. They're thin enough and light enough that I don't notice them with headphones. I have single focus "computer glasses" made every year. Some people benefit from a blue tint in these. By caring only about comfort and ignoring style, the cost is not much–no need for any lens treatments etc. In fact, mine are somewhat ugly. I do this on purpose so that, if I'm about to drive with them on, my wife will notice and remind me to change to a pair that lets me see road signs. Many optical plans in the US include a "free glasses" benefit — and then you find that benefit to be so limited that it may as well not exist. My computer glasses are always inexpensive enough that they qualify.
BIAB 2024 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,953
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,953 |
I'm due for a new prescription for my specs so I'll discuss the matter with the folk in store who know my health benefits schedule and may be able to accommodate me. THANKS
Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793 |
For those interested in the Steven Slate Audio VSX system, they're having a sale.
BIAB 2024 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15 |
Thanks for the helpful article. I start off with a gaming headset (SteelSeries Arctis 3). Over time I've learned to recognize its biases. The headset mic is handy for singing along to rehearse or to record a quick working track.
I agree that final mixes need monitors. I start with JBL 2-way broadcast monitors, then check with home stereo speakers and a computer sound bar, but the final real-world test is playing a burned CD on the Bose system in my car with flat settings.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,330
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,330 |
I guess to each his own but I like and prefer mixing on headphones and I get the best results with a pair of pretty inexpensive AKG k52s. (I have the 240s but I get better results from the k52s.)
Using the AKG k52s I can tell exactly how it's going to sound on speakers and it also allows me to pay careful attention to finer details, but that's just me.
I will admit I have had NO luck with other headphones but for some reason those AKG k52s are different and create a very rich environment for me. I found a one day special on some extra pairs last year and got 2 pairs for $30. What a deal.
Waves has a couple of those virtual room speaker simulations for headphones and I use them sometimes but I actually get better results when I have them off.
Again it may just be me and my technique but headphone mixing is easier for me and I like the AKG k52s and when I get finished mixing with them and I play it on speakers or any environment it's exactly what I was looking for, and it translates perfectly to monitors, or living room speakers and everything else, including phone speakers.
So I guess everyone has their own technique.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,161
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,161 |
My buddy Barry also loves his K52s, when I asked him to try my AKG-40s he said 'yeah they sound about the same to me' .. so I got that going for me.
Point is, sometimes more $$ doesn't equal what you were aiming for.
Find what works for you and use it.
I find myself working in headphones quite often, hasn't really bothered me bu I do notice speakers (especially nearfields) seem to make you 'feel' it a little more, not sure how to describe it except to say your whole body 'hears' it, not just your ears.
But I do not judge anyone one way or the other; do what works for you.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 23,206
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 23,206 |
Interesting David as I have the K92s and I love them.
Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer.
It's called the Heineken Maneuver.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,308
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,308 |
I've been using the Sony MDR 7506 cans. I saw them recommended by a recording engineer and decided to upgrade from my cheap Yamaha cans that I bought at the local guitar store from the bargain bin. I've used them to not only track but also for mixing and the final polishing of tracks that I've posted here in the showcase.
I've noticed that if I'm mixing on them, it's harder to go to the monitors but easy to go the other way around. The cans sound really good and give great results.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793 |
I've been using the Sony MDR 7506 cans. … Those have been my go-to since 1988. I don't like to track on anything else but find that, unlike the Slate VSX, mixes barely translate. I got tired of having to replace the ear pads every year or two so, however, I went with these AURAY Genuine Sheepskin Leather Earpads . There's a bit of a break-in period before the leather and memory foam pads become comfortable but, once that happens... haven't worn out a pair yet. My 2¢
BIAB 2024 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,644
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,644 |
I've been using the Sony MDR 7506 cans. … Those have been my go-to since 1988. I don't like to track on anything else but find that, unlike the Slate VSX, mixes barely translate. I got tired of having to replace the ear pads every year or two so, however, I went with these AURAY Genuine Sheepskin Leather Earpads . There's a bit of a break-in period before the leather and memory foam pads become comfortable but, once that happens... haven't worn out a pair yet. My 2¢ Mike, what do you mean by "unlike the Slate VSX, mixes barely translate"? Also...Earpad and headband rot is my personal curse. Have saved the link to your sheepskin pads. Like that idea...
DC Ron
BiaB Audiophile
Presonus Studio One
StudioCat DAW dual screen
Presonus Faderport 16
Too many guitars (is that a thing?)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,793 |
[quote=Guitarhacker]I've been using the Sony MDR 7506 cans. … Mike, what do you mean by "unlike the Slate VSX, mixes barely translate"? Also...Earpad and headband rot is my personal curse. Have saved the link to your sheepskin pads. Like that idea... I mix for all kinds of environments from K-LOVE radio to audiophile to AV soundtracks etc. A good mix has to translate to sound great — the more environments it does, the better. For some reason, the detailed response I get out of 7506s doesn't sound as good on many other systems as I would like. The Slate VSX is a dedicated mixing environment using plug-ins and calibrated headphones. What I hear when done sounds good on pretty much everything including my calibrated studio monitors. Did I like spending $500 on VSX? Oh hell no but I like the results.
BIAB 2024 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,644
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,644 |
[quote=Guitarhacker]I've been using the Sony MDR 7506 cans. … Mike, what do you mean by "unlike the Slate VSX, mixes barely translate"? Also...Earpad and headband rot is my personal curse. Have saved the link to your sheepskin pads. Like that idea... I mix for all kinds of environments from K-LOVE radio to audiophile to AV soundtracks etc. A good mix has to translate to sound great — the more environments it does, the better. For some reason, the detailed response I get out of 7506s doesn't sound as good on many other systems as I would like. The Slate VSX is a dedicated mixing environment using plug-ins and calibrated headphones. What I hear when done sounds good on pretty much everything including my calibrated studio monitors. Did I like spending $500 on VSX? Oh hell no but I like the results. Thanks, Mike, that's very helpful. Am very intrigued by the VSX approach, but even at $399 Black Friday pricing, I'm still questioning the ROI. Am only mixing my own home studio stuff, and always review on multiple sources, with multiple incremental adjustments/versions. Sure, it's inefficient, and if I were doing this professionally I would certainly do it differently. But...I DO have the time, and (gasp!) enjoy the process...
DC Ron
BiaB Audiophile
Presonus Studio One
StudioCat DAW dual screen
Presonus Faderport 16
Too many guitars (is that a thing?)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
Join the conversation on our forum.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.
Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Mac Videos — we’ll be adding more videos as they’re released!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.
If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!
Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano
Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!
Bonjour à tous,
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation
Voilà, enjoy!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!
Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!
Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Stay up to date—get the latest update now!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums58
Topics84,271
Posts777,141
Members39,609
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean