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Mr M and Gordon.
for s's and giggles i wanted to install bitwig trial set it to 48k same as rb.
then pound sand genning loads of tracks in rb and D n' Ding from rb into bitwig.
but after a nice easy peasy bitwig download/install then it displays a screen i gotta set up an account. so i gave up...sadly.
drives me bonkers all, this email/registering/personal deets etc.
so Mr M heres what i suggest...
1. rb is no different than bb. loads of generation of audio and midi tracks options.
so...if you know bb you should have no probs. just ignore the advanced rb features.
(to save me typing go thru the rb manual on this site and see what cranks you up.)
2..set up both bitwig and rb as 48k...and run some tests genning tracks in rb and dropping into bitwig and see if it works to your satisfaction. you never know if you like this approach till you try it...
(btw bitwig DOES look good and i like the clap plugin tech approach.)
happiness....and to all merry upcoming xmas.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 10/29/24 05:02 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Mr M and Gordon and all.
YES 48K SUCCESS !!
heres what i did.
(this assumes that the users daw of choice supports drag/drop from another music app. otherwise its old skool export from rb to the other daw.)
1..i set win audio and rb and reaper to 48k.
(reaps and rb both useing asio 48k for very low latency.)
2..i set up a common dir for all content...ie for project saves/files/gens/recordings.
IE A COMMON DIRE FOR REAPS AND RB. so all is neat and tracks arent all over the place.
eg if song is called 'i wanna rock till dawn' then a dir is set up that holds all content from rb and reaps (or your daw) for the i wanna rock song.
VERY IMPORTANT >>>> in rb plugin options i set the dir NOT to default rb drag/drop but to the...
'i wanna rock till dawn' dir ie my song dir shared by all music apps.
3..VERY IMPORTANT...
!! MAKE SURE RB AND THE DAW ARE SET TO SAME TEMPO.
!! MAKE SURE YOU USE THE SAME MARKER NAMING IN BOTH RB
AND THE DAW. so all matches. eg if a marker is called 'guitar lead break'
in rb then same marker name in your daw.
useing the above set up i genned rts/tracks in rb and then just dragged the track numbers into reaps. (its fast.).
et voila 48k tracks in reaps.
SO lets summarise.
if a user wishes to do a song project in 48k..
(eg for film or video etc) assuming the non rb daw does 48k and has drag/drop.
voila ! it can be done.
note before posting the above in pg tips forum could some kind soul test/replicate and tell me no probs. i get no probs here. use any daw you want as long as it supports 48k and drag/drop.
(note i couldnt test bitwig because my production pc for songs is sandboxed and doesnt go on the net for the bitwig account set up process required.
however assuming bitwig supports drag/drop and 48k which i'm sure it must then bitwig (or any other daw ) should work.
(second note... for me i find the rb as track generator method serving up genned tracks to another daw is more flexible than useing bb plugin.)
(note for those who dont want to learn another app like rb.if you know bb you shouldnt have a problem. its the same in rb as bb ie generate tracks then serve them up to your other daw.)
anyhoo. voila ! please report back to me if you get probs.
hth/happiness.
om
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SEE MY PREVIOUS POST FIRST.
ok i got bitwig in demo mode installed on my internet computer.
(as i said my production pc is sandboxed.)
and tested/dragged and dropped the rb generated tracks into bitwig.
then i tried multitrackstudio.com same...worked.
so includeing reaper thats 3 daws that work.
but Mr M run your own tests. or anyone else with a different daw.
eg S1 or another.
just follow the steps i outlined in my previous post.
i'll post in tips section once others have confirmed success.
ps...mario..if you would be kind enough and have time. it will be a doddle for you.
please confirm all works in S1. (just follow my steps in previous post.)
tell me if S1 works.
happiness.
om
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om, I'd be glad to help. I have printed your instructions and will attempt it later today. Note that it is unusually warm here for this time of year plus it isn't raining so I will be outside working most of today.
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Mario.
thanks your a prince.
i'll throw this out there for other pg users.
if you tell me what daw you use then, as long as i can get a trial i will
do tests re 48k and report back.
ie your daw and rb to create a synergy as it were.
with rb serving up tracks to your daw in a 48k environment just like bb does in 44.1k.
let me comment on a few of the many plusses of the your daw and rb working together.
..use of markers will give you visuals so you know eg chorus 3 you can see the
waveform generated in rb that matches your daw.
..varying tempos/fractional tempos might help some people.
..you can use rb as simply as serving up generated tracks to your daw...but as you get more comfortable with the yourdaw/rb linkeage if you go to the rb top menus and the manual youll see many other nifty things you can do with midi and audio tracks.
for example (i am no expert in this) maybe you want to acidise audio.
or maybe lets say you only like bars 44 to 50 that have been genned in rb...
you can just get those bars into your daw. as i said because you can see genned waveforms in rb and with markers it makes the whole process easier.
and there are many other nifty aspects.
ONE PIECE OF ADVICE >>> MAKE SURE YOUR TRACKS STARTING POINT
IS THE SAME IN RB AND YOUR DAW SO YOU DONT HAVE TO ADJUST OR SLIDE TRACKS.
as i said if anyone wants me to test their daw. i will do so...as long as i can get a trial.
once a couple more daws are tested (so far it seems that 3 work ie...reaper,bitwig, mtstudio..)...i'lll post the 48k instructions in pg tips section...( previously detailed in this thread.)
UPDATE.
i know there are some pg users useing audicity. i just tested audacity set to 48k....works !
so now there are 4 daws that work at 48k with rb set to 48k.
happiness and hth.
om
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om, I just read your instructions and I have a problem. I have never used RB. I have tried but it doesn't fit in to my workflow very easily and since I use a DAW I really don't want to spend the time learning another. If I quickly try RB for this experiment then I might, well actually would, make a mistake and yield incorrect results. BUT if you have stems that you can put in DropBox then I will DL them and load them into Studio One Pro.
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Mario.
dont trouble yourself.
i'll dload s1 and report back.
(actually its just like bb. just import a bb song into rb after setting
rb to 48k in prefs. rb will gen the tracks on import of bb song as set in prefs.
and thats it. then with rb and S1 open just drag rb tracks nos to S1 tracks.
(the cursor will change). so really theres nothing much to learn for a bb user.
but no sweat i'm gonna dload S1 now.
as it saves uploading to dropbox etc.
happiness and respect and happy upcoming xmas.
well i tried to dload the S1 trial and got stuck setting up account.
i cant find a link on presonus to dload trial.
i'll try again once i have time mario. in the interim maybe another S1 user can have a go.
sorry.
om
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om, I tried to use RB. I saved a RT/RD song in BiaB and tried to load it many times into RB. No luck as all I get is a MIDI drum track and nothing else. RB is so damn frustrating, I know that the problem is with my inexperience with it but I have run many other DAWs with no problems without looking at the docs.
Anyway I set up my audio interface, a Roland Octa-Capture to 48K. Then in BiaB I draged the master to wav and using the DAW mode then dragged and dropped the song into Studio One Pro 7. It played perfectly.
I hope this helps.
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Mario.
1..when i save in bb i use save special >>> patches and harmony.
2..IMPORTANT make sure youve done the following in rb.
OPTIONS>>PREFERENCES>>SONG GENERATION and ensure that auto generate is checked. in prefs also PREFS>>AUDIO note audio file type.
set to 48k.
3..now import bb song and tell me do you see waveforms ??
(make sure rb tempo matches bb tempo).
4..then simply go to each genned track number and drag into s1 track.
note also if S1 suppoorts drag/drop not only should you be able to drop rb tracks into S1 but vice versa. ie S1 to rb.
tell me if this works also.
go to stylepicker in rb (right clik over a track in tracks view) pick a demo file in a style. youll see a likkle + by demo...clik it to load in rb the style demo.
you should see style waveforms.
ok i tested another daw bandlab....could a bandlab user confirm something ?
import of the rb genned tracks fine. i set BL to 48k of course but how do i set up
BL so i can drag direct into BL without useing the import feature.
ie does BL support drag/drop rather than import ?
thanks.
happiness.
om
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As I understand this, BiaB supports 44.1kHz internally and will use a sample-rate convertor if the hardware does not support 44.1kHz. If the hardware supports 44.1kHz, BiaB will change it to that rate. I believe there is no option to choose 48kHz elsewhere than for the final rendering. This is basically correct. ASIO requires locking the sample rate to the program, and as BB operates internally at 44,100hz it will automatically switch the sample rate to 44,100hz. This cannot be changed, however if you use WAS or MME instead (or use RealBand) it is possible to use other sample rates. Keep in mind though that audio recorded into BB will be automatically converted to 44,100hz when you save the file.
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Simon.
thanks for commenting. that clears up lots of things. fantastic.
FYi...ive got rb working great with a number of daws now all set to 48k.
so...a question . CAN WE CONCLUDE THAT TO DO 48 RB IS A GOOD SOLUTION ?? you see what i like is the loads of tracks in rb plus features the bb plugin doesnt have. eg i can see graphically the track and set up markers and do loads of other nifty stuff.
To Bandlab users. ok i figured out BL drag/drop. i set BL as admin.
and drag into the BL browser.
Mario.
see my previous post re setting up rb in prefs re seeing waveforms and setting to 48 k also.
to all...ive used 44.1 for ages...but i might just be a 48k convert now....lol.
so ive set everything to 48k ...interface/daws/win etc etc....and we shall see how things go as i might try some video software at some point.
peace to all and happiness.
om
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Mario.
(see my previous post re setting up rb preferences.)
ok back to it.
could you send via dropbox your bb file whereby you dont see waveforms in rb ?
so i can test here in rb ? i suspect in your rb preferences song generation that waveforms are turned off. (see my previous post re settings.)
it would be ni9ce to get you going with generating tracks viz 48k so then you could just drop your 48k tracks (your nice soundscapes) into say a video software that likes 48k audio. eg for film or whatever. also this might help new pg users.
to summarise for all.
..useing rb is no different than bb. just gotta make sure in rb preferences you identify the audio device to be used, and set to 48k and ensure auto waveforms is turned on. just like bb you enter chords and generate and then drag the tracks from rb to your fav daw (also set to 48k). one advantage of rb i find is a more flexible generating of tracks environment. its just a question of setting up rb preferences correctly.
and its important to use the same song dir for saveing your work re your daw and rb.
(gotta set in top left of rb the dir via daw options.)
..i have now tested with a number of daws on the market.
(reaper/bitwig/multitrackstudio/bandlab etc.) ...and drag/drop works.
so now you can easily move 48k tracks around tween rb and other daws.
i'll throw this out in good faith anyone pm me if you have problems setting up a 48k environment with rb and your fav daw and/or post pics of your rb settings. and i'll try to help.
to PG please could you consider creating a FAQ re 48k ? or a vid showing how to setup a 48k environment with rb generating tracks and serving them up via drag/drop to a non pg daw ? and most importantly i feel it also needs to include how to set up win audio AND rb preferences and the non pg daw.and the users interface. (here all is set to 48k.). in the interim once i get time shortly i'll post in the tips forum details of how to do the foregoing. (might be usefull for new users.)
obviously this 48k issue crops up occasionally so it would be nice just to point someone to a vid/faq.
well thats it i'm happy to have found a solution re 48k....and as i said rb can be used as a track server upper without the user haveing to learn a lot about rb.
just gotta set up rb preferences correctly...which one has to do in any daw.
happiness to all.
om
ps mario send me via drop box that bb sgu whereby waveforms arent generated in rb.
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As I understand this, BiaB supports 44.1kHz internally and will use a sample-rate convertor if the hardware does not support 44.1kHz. If the hardware supports 44.1kHz, BiaB will change it to that rate. I believe there is no option to choose 48kHz elsewhere than for the final rendering. This is basically correct. ASIO requires locking the sample rate to the program, and as BB operates internally at 44,100hz it will automatically switch the sample rate to 44,100hz. This cannot be changed, however if you use WAS or MME instead (or use RealBand) it is possible to use other sample rates. Keep in mind though that audio recorded into BB will be automatically converted to 44,100hz when you save the file. As BiaB seems to work only at 44.1kHz, I imagine the recorded-audio conversion is done at record time, rather than save time. Why/how are WAS and MME different from ASIO in regards of sampling rate, please? Is the resampling done within the driver/API, rather than by BiaB?
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CAN WE CONCLUDE THAT TO DO 48 RB IS A GOOD SOLUTION ?? Yes. As BiaB seems to work only at 44.1kHz, I imagine the recorded-audio conversion is done at record time, rather than save time. I believe so. Why/how are WAS and MME different from ASIO in regards of sampling rate, please? Is the resampling done within the driver/API, rather than by BiaB? I'm not certain, but I believe the resampling is always done at the driver level. Resampling is only necessary when using a shared sound device, as applications might send audio at different rates (and certainly not synchronized). ASIO was never designed to be a shared device, as it was intended that the output of an application would be routed directly to the interface bypassing the Windows audio systems. Any audio device that supports multiple clients using ASIO is essentially using a hack of sorts to make that work (I believe those essentially set up invisible virtual inputs to a software mixer, but I'm not sure). Either way, since ASIO applications expect to be locked to the device, ASIO doesn't do resampling - this is why BB changes the interface sample rate when using ASIO, otherwise it would either not work at all, play back at a different pitch/speed, or destroy your ears with horrible digital noise.
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thanks Simon. your clarifications are very very appreciated. All. note...in pg tips section i have gone into lots of detail re doing a 48k song project useing ones favorite daw and rb together to realise a nice solution..rb to generate tracks which are then dragged into the users fav daw. it includes various details re set up etc etc. its really quite simple once things are set up. and itemises how to use rb simply without a big learning cycle. bottom line is if a user has used biab it should be a doddle. here is the link to the tips... https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=827109#Post827109i sincerely hope that this helps people doing 48k song projects. as i said in tips if someone encounters any problems just post the projects pg song file on dropbox so us rb users can run tests. also it would be usefull to post pics of your rb preferences/settings etc. simon once again thanks for your comments. might i suggest a pg faq plus video addressing the 48k issue ? as i'm sure it will come up often....i would do a vid but i'm lousy at such and also there is the issue of my vision impairment. fyi i have gone all 48k now i have got it working the way i want. happiness. om
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Thanks to Simon and all of the BiaB users who contributed to this conversation. I had ZERO idea that the question I asked would result in this incredible amount of information. The simple solution for me was changing BiaB to WAS.
Thanks again, everyone, and happy All Saints' Day. It's a holiday here in France, so of course the main shopping district, starting 50 meters from my apartment is closed to car traffic and hosting a braderie (sidewalk sale) this weekend. It'll be a human zoo.
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So pleased that this is sorted out for you. Profitez de votre fête de la Toussaint. Laissez la musique de côté un instant et participez aux célébrations 
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Mario.
(see my previous post re setting up rb preferences.)
ok back to it.
could you send via dropbox your bb file whereby you dont see waveforms in rb ?
so i can test here in rb ? i suspect in your rb preferences song generation that waveforms are turned off. (see my previous post re settings.)
it would be ni9ce to get you going with generating tracks viz 48k so then you could just drop your 48k tracks (your nice soundscapes) into say a video software that likes 48k audio. eg for film or whatever. also this might help new pg users.
.................................................... Hi om, I was tied up all of yesterday so I didn't see this until today. I'm sorry I had deleted that sgu right after my attempts failed. Since this topic has been resolved do you still want me to continue? If so I can try again tomorrow; again I will not be around today to spend any extended time on my computer.
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Mario.
your a prince...yeah i wouldnt mind trying a sgu that failed for you but i dont want to trouble you. the reason being if i find out why the sgu isnt working for you then i can update the 48k tips ive posted in pg tips section to help others who might encounter same prob.
as you know my fun is beating tech problems....lol.
i assume your not seeing waveforms displayed in rb tracks view ??
so also if possible i would also like a pic of your rb preferences..so i can see settings for song generation and also drivers. that would help me diagnose.
as i said i have posted in pg tips forum in detail how to do a all 48k project includeing settings that works for me.
i'm all 48k now. the tips section has all the details. essentially rb like bb is only being used to gen tracks which are then dragged into the persons main daw so rb learning cycle is kept to an absolute minimum. just rb preferences have to be set up.
and i hope will help people doing audio for picture for example.
the latest daw ive tested with is bandlab.
see tips section for further info.
just so people understand i'm not anti bb (ive used it for yonks...) i also have been trying to find a solution re bb 48k work. but as simon clarified it seems bb likes 44.1.
one thing i want to test out today is IF bb is set to a wasapi driver instead of asio when one exports from bb the generated tracks are they 44.1 OR 48k....i suspect 44.1.
gonna do more testing today.
the other likkle 'wrinkle' with useing wasapi...is the issue of recording tasks.
asio has much lower latency than wasapi....here i'm 4ms latency at 128 samples useing asio.
so one possible problem useing wasapi in bb is...the following scenario....
often in bb i like to layout a 'ruff guide vocal' to see how things knit together with the genned bb tracks. but if useing wasapi how much latency will be introduced doing guides particularly if useing an old clunky pc or an unoptimised for music production pc. bottom line if people wanna do guide vocs etc... due to wasapi latency will they have to shift a track forward in time like in days of yore.
happiness and respect.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 11/01/24 06:39 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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om, in all honesty the 48k does not impact me as it does others. I bring BiaB MIDI data into Studio One Pro 7, i.e. no audio files are involved. Thus I can set my DAW to 48k, choose what sounds I want to the MIDI data tracks, and all will be 48k. Thanx to you and others in this thread right after I finish my current song I am going to use 48k from now on. Thanx everyone.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
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This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
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And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
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Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
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- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
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- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
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If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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