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Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about #827725 11/07/24 06:38 AM Songwriting
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Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about pghboemike #827729 11/07/24 07:39 AM Songwriting
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DC Ron Veteran Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,841	Haven't used it to write songs but recall it from church hymnals, though I hadn't thought about it in...a LONG time... DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One ASUS I9-12900K DAW, 32 GB RAM Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about pghboemike #827732 11/07/24 07:55 AM Songwriting
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,504 Hamlin NY	That was very interesting. A guideline for writing lyrics that I never knew existed. Thanx for sharing. The fitness trainer asked me, "What kind of a squat are you accustomed to doing?" I said, "Diddly." 64 bit Win 11 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about pghboemike #827744 11/07/24 10:01 AM Songwriting
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 7,735 Sacramento, California	In a video, he says: Quote All right, hymn #122... "God all nature sings thy glory." (Points to the words under the title, which read: "How many are your works, O Lord! In wisdom you made them all! The earth is full of your creatures. Ps.104-24") I don't really know what that means. Hahahahaha. Yeah, that part is a mystery we'll never be able to figure out. And it's not really a 1800's "songwriting technique", is it? -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about pghboemike #827993 11/09/24 05:44 PM Songwriting
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Mike Halloran Expert Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,862 Sillie Con Valley, California	Quote And it's not really a 1800's "songwriting technique", is it? No. It's the Meter of the song and goes back to the Psalms and the Greeks. The Metrical Index in a hymnal allows you to put any set of lyrics in that meter to any tune in that same meter, That is why it's there. This page is from one of the hymnals that I work with nowadays. I've been a music director and choir director well over 55 years, just doing part time substitute work to supplement my retirement. BIAB 2025 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about pghboemike #828105 11/11/24 07:35 AM Songwriting
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,471 Middlesex, NC	I worked with a cowriter who was a stickler for counting syllables in the lines and insisting that they match up. The reasoning was simple. When you vary the syllable count you also force a different melody and feel to the verses. Of course as he points out with the Beatles song In My Life.... rules are meant to be bent and even broken but you have to break them in a way that works. I'm thinking, if I was to examine my works over the past several years, not a single song I've written follows the syllable count exactly. BTW: I just checked my Baptist Hymnal and those rebellious souls don't have those numbers at the bottom of the hymn. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about Guitarhacker #828543 11/15/24 11:20 AM Songwriting
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Mike Halloran Expert Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,862 Sillie Con Valley, California	Originally Posted by Guitarhacker BTW: I just checked my Baptist Hymnal and those rebellious souls don't have those numbers at the bottom of the hymn. Ok, I'll bite. What Baptist hymnal do you use? A lot of congregations are still using the 1991 Baptist Hymnal and it does include meters at the bottom of the page. BIAB 2025 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about Mike Halloran #828691 11/16/24 09:28 AM Songwriting
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David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,354 North Carolina	This is interesting and useful. I just googled this subject and got a few lengthy indexes with links to the original classical sources and bookmarked or downloaded all. Kinda handy for sure. But I noticed these are only verses, right? No choruses I assume. Don't some hymns have choruses? Just wondering... David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about David Snyder #828695 11/16/24 09:55 AM Songwriting
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 7,735 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted by David Snyder Don't some hymns have choruses? Yes, a few do and are still considered hymns. Typically, a hymn has different lyrics for each verse, so there's more room to expand on the topic. Having a chorus means the hymn has to stick to that single thought expressed in the chorus. A chorus is in a hymn is referred to as a "refrain", as in "We're abstaining from refraining when the hymn does too much explaining". -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about pghboemike #828976 11/17/24 09:30 PM Songwriting
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Mike Halloran Expert Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,862 Sillie Con Valley, California	Quote Don't some hymns have choruses? Quote A chorus is in a hymn is referred to as a "refrain", Sometimes, it's included in the Meter; other times, it's added. From my previous example: BIAB 2025 Audiophile Mac 24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5

Re: Have you used this 1800s songwriting technique that I just learned about pghboemike #833680 12/13/24 10:45 AM Songwriting
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