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Back to add, that BiaB should reopen to that screen I want. I have a 4 monitor setup and want Biab to always open on screen #3, It doe not!
it just defaults to screen 1 (Windows default).
Robert I wonder if a window manager might resolve that. I've never done it on Windows, but on Linux I use a window manager to size and place specific windows onto specific screen in specific workspaces (cf 'Desktops' in Win10 and Win11). On my music PC I have a single large touch-screem and have one-touch access to any workspace. There are certainly window managers around for Windows, but I haven't investigated any of them personally and don't know if they're as effective.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
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What is needed, is to allow the user to hide parts of the interface they do not use.
It's best to make everything into a tool bar, where they can use the ones they want, and place them where they want! that includes floating the toolbar. There have definitely been requests for configurable menu options, starting off with a 'basic' menu setup and also including an 'advanced' menu option(s).
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What is needed, is to allow the user to hide parts of the interface they do not use. It's best to make everything into a tool bar, where they can use the ones they want, and place them where they want! that includes floating the toolbar. Let the user setup the way they want BiaB UI! Robert  Band-in-a-Box has two display modes, normal and minimal. The normal mode is the classic view with the Drop, Song, Transport, Tools, Views and Tracks toolbars. The minimal mode replaces with tabs labeled Files, Views, Tools, Tracks, Misc., Custom and Mixer. Both modes have methods to display or hide the audio mixer. The audio mixer can also float and resized. The minimal mode's Custom tab allows you to display only the tool icons you want. There are two ways to toggle between display modes; use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+T or select one of the two buttons just to the left of the DAW button. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28882&filename=Clipboard01.jpg)
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Jim is right. Main chord view in Minimalistic GUI is pretty slim. The biggest eyesore and real estate parasite is the "radio bar" at the top. Which is kind of useless considering all the tracks we have now. I never used it and never will. I wish they would remove it, or at least make it optional for those who can't live without it. Navigator is also not up to specs, especially if you are working with ~100+ bars. Otherwise layout is pretty good.
In my view, most complexity comes from menus. Their locations and wording. If they were sorted, positioned more intuitively and worded better it would make life easier.
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I use BIAB to either generate backing tracks for my own use at home, or to generate parts that I can import into Reaper, replace with my own samples, and form the basis of a track with other live instruments.
I am strongly against messing with the current melody and solo generation in any way (unless it's adding a new melodists to the existing ones), just because it still produces more usable results than the AI software currently out there. And the MIDI aspect means that you can replace it with whatever patch you want, or throw it onto notation and learn things from it, or seamlessly edit choruses together, etc
I know not everyone is a fan of the presentation but I've been using BIAB since 2002 so I always have a pretty good idea of where I need to go.
I guess what I'm saying is, please don't touch the features of BIAB that are still the best at what they do.
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Just an example, one of the better AI melody composers currently available still has a fundamental limitation where it doesn't stick to a prescribed set of chord changes, and the longer the passage you have it generate, the farther it wanders away from the original melody and form.
Great for experimental and generative music, not so great for pop and jazz forms.
BIAB gives me what I need when I'm just wanting a bass line for a set of changes that I might not come up with, or a burning Rhoads solo that I wouldn't be able to play at tempo.
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First of all, please excuse my English...
as a BIAB user since the DOS days, I think that time is mature for a radical change. We can not ignore the actual and future importance of AI. I think that this should be implemented *someway so far better* in BIAB 2025 and future releases. I've tried to use both SUNO and Udio, and I am really impressed with the quality of some of the results. Now, just try to imagine what results could be obtained by an integration of the great auto-accompaniment expertise of BIAB with a better use of AI composition tools inside BIAB (melodist)!
In this way PGM would have a double advantage, IMO: keeping the main characteristics of the best auto-accompaniment software (for mature musicians and amateurs who don't like approach AI); AND begin to look seriously to the future of assisted composition, a very likely future reality, I think. If not so, there's the risk that others (SUNO, Udio and so on) will be the ones chosen by young generations of (potential) customers.
And, please...no more styles...more than 10000 are already enough to choose...
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alfstone,
You made a well thought out and phrased post. I like your idea of using Artificial Intelligence to enhance the capability of the Melodist. Along with that idea perhaps AI could enhance the Soloist.
Thank you for your contribution to this conversation.
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alfstone,
You made a well thought out and phrased post. I like your idea of using Artificial Intelligence to enhance the capability of the Melodist. Along with that idea perhaps AI could enhance the Soloist.
Thank you for your contribution to this conversation. Thank you Jim! AI is making giant steps and, set aside the ethical aspects of the whole thing, just in few months has achieved great results in terms of "quality". I think it will not be a long time from now, when we'll be able to throw a specific chord progression in SUNO-Udio etc...we can already instruct to make its music according to ANY music style. Now, if I were PGM, I would be rather worried about this possibility... Alfredo
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I like Bob’s point----don’t need, now, nor will use, new features----just new styles and real tracks. No deep diving, here. Only need good-sounding, realistic, reliable backing tracks. 2024 is working great at the moment. Quite so. Its why I didn't buy 2024. I didn't want or need 50 more features that need a year of updates to get to work properly. I want more RTs and MORE RDs and not have relearn the System all over again. How about selling a Set Pack of 2025 RT/RDs that will work on earlier versions?
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sixchannel,
Can you elaborate?
I believe more, not less RT's were introduced in 2024 than prior year(s). And the price you pay for upgrade at promotional period is very reasonable considering amount of content (RTs, RDs and MIDI) you are getting. Consider software as a freebie. Of course you can wait to upgrade mid year (still get the "upgrade" discount) and have most new bugs of that year addressed.
What exactly is that you think would make you "relearn the System all over again"?
With exception of handful of people (about 5 to be more specific) that for very minor reasons didn't want to use new MTP Library, no major issues were reported specifically with 2024. Almost zero items concerning "new features" that "prevented" people from using BIAB. Nobody is forcing you to use new features. Ignore new buttons - problem solved!
New "features" aside, did you know that 2024 BIAB generates tracks about 5 times faster? If this was the only item on the table for 2024, I would still upgrade.
Having said that, I do agree with you that RT's should be backward compatible at least for 2-3 years of last version of software.
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From my use & perspective there are lots of things in BIAB I've not used &/or not been interested in.
I slowly try to use new aspects so that I might find something that works for me - but it's a slow process. I've tried the Melodists a few times. I can't say it generated anything worth using even after serious editing & comping but, then again, I try not to replace myself with a machine when I can manage it. As I've improved by skill & discernment, (I think the latter being the more important), I've found using Multiriff I can generate decent solos, with a bit of cutting & pasting in the DAW, from the solo RTs I have in my stack.
I'm not interested in A.I. music generation.
I think I'd like BIAB 2025 to be a "making time" version in which many things that need fixing, correcting, smoothing & debugging are addressed, tarted up with new RTs and Real Drum stems, (with the addition of a cymbal choke in the source file) - dare I say it - some Video tracks too, (I used a video track in my latest song video but as it was a completely different style from the song I had to obscure it a bit). Definitely not a sales pitch for the new buyer but that'd give me more time to explore what currently exists and use new sections with confidence.
Menu clarity? Yes that would be part of the fixing.
I know PG can't afford to hold its collective breath on new sales bait but one can always wish.
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Sixchannel, Misha (Rustyspoon) has nicely responded to the concerns you raised. I would only add that I do not expect software to introduce new features that can be used on older versions, and I think that practice is normal. For example, I use the DAW Studio One. They just introduced version 7. Version 7 loads a project written in my prior version (6.5) just fine, but when you go to save, it will first give you a caution that if you continue with the save, the project can only be reopened in version 7 from then on. I think that's fair.
Specifically, about BIAB, this subject was raised before, maybe within the past year or two, when someone asked if the newest styles or RealTracks could be used in an older version of BIAB. Don't hold me to this, but I think the answer was sometimes yes, sometimes no. The biggest hurdle was selecting the new tracks because they were not contained in the index that had been made without knowing of their existence. I believe they could be located manually and would work, however don't hold me to that either because I did not need to test it, having purchased the upgrade.
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Well, I will most certainly disagree with the 'no more styles' request. I mean, we have a full thread devoted to further requested styles. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=6&page=1Whether some of them are viable or not, I don't know. Furthermore, even though we have Utility tracks, I still would like to see an expansion of some of the older (and newer) styles to up to 8 parts. I use an Arranger Keyboard, and I don't know, currently, of any Arranger Keyboard that doesn't use up to 8 accompaniment tracks. I would love to see that expansion in an upcoming version, for both Real Tracks and MIDI tracks. MIDI keyboards today are getting a lot better in sounds, so having more MIDI styles wouldn't be a bad thing. G
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Hi Gary. In the discussions we have had about concentrating on improving existing functions over introducing 50+ new ones, it was assumed that the company would continue releasing new RealTracks and styles. The assumption is that these are two different areas of the company. That could be wrong.
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I just want one single thing in the new 2025 BIAB, nothing else.
An efficient and improved “Search Concept” so I can use BIAB and find what I am looking for in the huge amount of content that I have.
(I don’t see any point of more styles/instruments if there is no way for me to easily find them in the database).
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I just want one single thing in the new 2025 BIAB, nothing else.
An efficient and improved “Search Concept” so I can use BIAB and find what I am looking for in the huge amount of content that I have.
(I don’t see any point of more styles/instruments if there is no way for me to easily find them in the database). Yes, that has also been the subject of much discussion here.
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2025 So What To Expect? ![[Linked Image from djangoinabox.com]](https://www.djangoinabox.com/UserEditorImages/the-horizontal-mixer.png) An Horizontal Mixer? DiaB
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At this point, nobody, except for PGM, knows what 2025 might bring. Lots of excellent ideas have been put forward though.
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One December we will get a streamlined interface and good search tools. Maybe it’s this year, maybe five years from now. I’ll still keep buying the upgrades.
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New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
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- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
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New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
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Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
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In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
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Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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