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How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? #830746 11/27/24 02:01 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500 mkamoski OP Apprentice
OP mkamoski Apprentice Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500	... Please help. How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords and change the key? I want to have all my songs for my live performance set in Biab, chords and lyrics. I want to be able to change the key quickly and at will (because my band loves to do that for some unknown reason). I need to be able to see all the lyrics and the basic chord sheet, with 2 or 3 or 4 sets of lyrics. I am close to achieving that, BUT I cannot add the 2nd verse of the lyrics, which is all I need (I think) now. BTW, I think I could achieve this 2nd verse simply if there were a way to enter a line return (AKA new line) in the lyrics entry box over each bar, but I cannot do that with \n (backslash-n) or such so far. I will attach a screenshot of what I have so far, and I am just a novice at this. If I can help it, I would like to avoid having to output a PDF lead sheet with lyrics-- rather I would like to stay in the main Biab song window. Note, I will NOT be playing the Biab song in real-time (live), but just using it as a "quick way to transpose the chords" and a way to read the lyrics for singing. Note, I will be playing the song with Biab during my private practice sessions, so I need that functionality for sure. What do you think, recommend, suggest, etc? (I would be especially grateful for an SGU example with 2 verses of lyrics.) Thank you. -- Mark ... Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) biab lyrics example Screenshot 2024-11-27 155321.png (307 KB, 179 downloads) Last edited by mkamoski; 11/27/24 02:03 PM. Reason: fixed typos and added clarity

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #830760 11/27/24 04:23 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	Hi. I don't know of a way to get two lines of lyrics into Bar Lyrics. What I would do is to also activate "Section Text". That will give you are second line above "Bar Lyrics". The Section Text row could be used for verse 1 and the Bar Lyrics row could be used for verse 2. --Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #830761 11/27/24 04:28 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	Also... just in case you are not sure how I changed the font size, I did the following:- 1) Open Preferences and select Display Options (#2 on the image below). 2) Click on the dropdown menu (#3) and select either Section Text Layer or Bar Lyrics Layer (#4). 3) Select the Choose Font button (#5) and then adjust font-type and font-size to suit. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #830774 11/27/24 05:34 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,165 Mi., USA	Wouldn't 'Unfolding' the song make it linear and thus solve the problem? Honestly asking as I am NOT a BiaB pro .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #830789 11/27/24 09:54 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,313 Melbourne, Australia	Quote ...I want to have all my songs for my live performance set in Biab, chords and lyrics. I want to be able to change the key quickly and at will (because my band loves to do that for some unknown reason)... If you are using RealTracks then this might be challenging to do 'on the fly'. I don't think that there is an 'instant' way to achieve this. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? AudioTrack #830799 11/28/24 03:30 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,481 Hampshire, UK Gordon Scott Veteran
Gordon Scott Veteran Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,481 Hampshire, UK	Originally Posted by AudioTrack Quote ...I want to have all my songs for my live performance set in Biab, chords and lyrics. I want to be able to change the key quickly and at will (because my band loves to do that for some unknown reason)... If you are using RealTracks then this might be challenging to do 'on the fly'. I don't think that there is an 'instant' way to achieve this. Making that change during the song is probably largely infeasible, but setting up a key a few seconds before playing should work OK. One possible nuisance is that BiaB's normal behaviour is "generate and play", which means it'll start whether or not you're ready. I'm not sure if there's an easy way around that. Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #830806 11/28/24 05:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Charlie Fogle Veteran C Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 8,675 South Carolina	<< Wouldn't 'Unfolding' the song make it linear and thus solve the problem? >> His screen shot shows the song file unfolded. << I need to be able to see all the lyrics and the basic chord sheet, with 2 or 3 or 4 sets of lyrics. >> Like this Screen Shot? Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Lyrics on the Section and Bar Layer.jpg (202.41 KB, 128 downloads) BIAB 2025:RB 2025, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #830839 11/28/24 08:59 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Rob Helms Veteran R Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,500 Pawling New York	If you use the Big Lyrics window it will scroll the lyrics and chords in a simple fashion. This will eliminate the need to double them up. Works great! The Key change i am not sure of. I have never changed keys during a performance before. If i am playing with different people i request a lead sheet from them with chords and the Key info upfront not after i am in front of an audience. I practice in advance and do not want to change chords on the fly just seems to muddle stuff up. HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? AudioTrack #830851 11/28/24 09:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP mkamoski Apprentice Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500	I am sorry, I did not make that clear. My use cases are as follows. (1) For performance, I use the song in Biab display mode (not playing Biab in playback mode), as just a lead sheet with just chords and lyrics, and I already know that I can change the key at-will easily so when the singer says "hey let's try this in the key of C major so everybody transpose now" I can just click and transpose then and there. (2) For practice, I will set the key and then playback in Biab (with Biab accompaniment) as usual.

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? Rob Helms #830853 11/28/24 09:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500 mkamoski OP Apprentice
OP mkamoski Apprentice Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500	thanks... the big lyrics is not really what I am looking for... I really want just a lead sheet view (not playback) with chords and all lyrics (lyrics above the bar)... and for the key change I was not clear because I just need to change the key 1x before playing not during a song... thanks.

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? Charlie Fogle #830854 11/28/24 09:58 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500 mkamoski OP Apprentice
OP mkamoski Apprentice Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500	Hi Charlie. Yes, exactly how you have those lyrics setup in your screen shot, that's what I seek. How did you do that? Please advise. Thank you. -- Mark

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? Gordon Scott #830855 11/28/24 10:00 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500 mkamoski OP Apprentice
OP mkamoski Apprentice Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500	Hi Gordon. I am sorry, but I was not clear. My key change needs are already met, as I know how to change the key-- and I do not need to do it on the fly. Really, I am just trying to get all the lyrics on the page, kind of like what Charile showed in his post here. Thanks. -- Mark

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? Noel96 #830858 11/28/24 10:02 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500 mkamoski OP Apprentice
OP mkamoski Apprentice Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500	Hi Noel. Yes, that is very helpful. However, I would need to accommodate >2 verses of lyrics-- sometimes up to 4 to 6 verses of lyrics. Do you know a way to do that in the same manner you show 2 verses of lyrics. Thank you. -- Mark

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #830891 11/28/24 03:34 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Charlie Fogle Veteran C Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 8,675 South Carolina	Originally Posted by mkamoski Hi Charlie. Yes, exactly how you have those lyrics setup in your screen shot, that's what I seek. How did you do that? Please advise. Thank you. -- Mark Each measure/bar of the Chord Sheet Section and Lyrics layers can contain a fixed amount of characters. Spaces made with the space bar on the PC keyboard count as a character. Use the pc keyboard space bar to fill spaces to the end of the layer block and the next character past the end of the layer block expands the Section or Lyric layer block to a new line. In a document editor, that's called word wrap. In simple terms, word wrap works in those individual Section or Lyric Layers. The process is to input the lyrics that you desire for that measure's Section or Lyric Layer first verse and use PC keyboard spaces to advance the curser past the end of the block and expand the block and create a new line beneath the first line and input the lyrics for the second verse. Hope that's clear. BIAB 2025:RB 2025, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? Charlie Fogle #852822 05/24/25 08:14 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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RWSwan Newbie R Joined: May 2024 Posts: 2 Darwin, NT Australia	Unfortunately that doesn't work for me. Using the method will make multiple lines of lyrics show up on the PCs Chord Sheet, but they don't show up either by direct printing to printer or pdf. Unfortunate as I normally transfer song .pdf files to a tablet to use for performances. Probably a printer setting? Cheers and thanks for any suggestions.

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #852827 05/25/25 01:06 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,831 Australia	What kind of lyrics do you? Are they note-based or bar-based lyrics? MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? Noel96 #852895 05/25/25 09:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500 mkamoski OP Apprentice
OP mkamoski Apprentice Joined: May 2012 Posts: 100 GMT-0500	... Hi Noel96. The music I am studying has bar-based lyrics, which is the context here. If you have any suggestions to get multi-line lyrics showing in Biab, like a typical Real Book lead sheet, then please let me know. Thank you. -- Mark Kamoski ...

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? Noel96 #852946 05/25/25 06:43 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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RWSwan Newbie R Joined: May 2024 Posts: 2 Darwin, NT Australia	G'day Noel, Thank you for taking the time to ask. I'm using bar-based lyrics.

Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #853017 05/26/25 10:06 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Re: How can one use Biab 2024 to display multiple verses of lyrics over chords, and change the key? mkamoski #853019 05/26/25 10:14 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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