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Having contributed to Wikipedia pages, I can vouch that some of my information is still on the pages. However, when I tried to get PG Music's PTPA a little bit of notoriety by adding it to a list of DAW software providers, the information was rather quickly removed by an autocratic 'page master' or whatever he called himself. His justification for doing so was that there were not enough outside references to PG's own webpages to qualify for Wikipedia's 'notoriety' criteria. After that episode of online arguing, I gave up entering anything into Wikipedia, though I'm still a user. My content that is still alive and well on Wikipedia are on two very unrelated pages: I contributed content to the FAWM page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Album_Writing_MonthAnd on the explorer, Aimé Bonpland's page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aim%C3%A9_BonplandYou might be able to see the on-line shouting match between me and the autocrat who ruled my content out of the Music Sequencer page. If you do a 'view history' on the page, you can see my name Rockstar not and then Scott.Wheeler right after mine, where he said that PTPA was not 'notable' and removed it from the list of music sequencer softwares after I had added it. Look around April 20 2007 and you'll see it. Looks like Mr. Wheeler has given up being the ruler of all things music sequencer in Wikipedia based on the edit history of that page. Perhaps a more adventurous soul might want to put RealBand and PTPA onto the list. As has been pointed out earlier in the thread, it's rather easy to do. Whether Mr. Wheeler was or was not too autocratic is up for debate. In a way, he felt he was doing right by Wikipedia, I'm sure. I disagree, but partial fault lies in PG Music's lack of product placement/reviews in 'independent' sources. -Scott
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I asked my son the perpetual student who's about 4 months from his Phd what they do about wikipedia, in that he marks on average, about 300 papers a month from undergrads. He says it's become easy to spot the fakers who cut and paste, and that often he can just type in a piece of an arcane sentence in the submitted work and he gets a hit on wikipedia. He said usually they don't argue much about sources, but more over the fact that entire papers or sections of them are cut and paste jobs. He claims he gets about 1 a month, and usually in September the first year students all get stuff sent back the first time, and then they are careful after that.
As to references, due to the fact he's been at anthropology for 11 years now, he says he knows almost for sure that something is missing the quotation marks and source, mostly because the same subjects and sources have been used for years.
I asked about his contributing something to a wiki and got the academic stare, that happens when Dad is stupid enough to think someone with his level of education would stoop there. Odd.....
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Maybe that's some anthropological idiosyncrasy. Wikipedia is otherwise teeming with academic expert entries - check out some of their math related sites ...
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I'm a math genius, when it comes to counting change.
After that I'm able to balance the money I owe.
Beyond that....forget it. I was told in Grade 10 that if I promised to never take math again they would pass me. Took Latin and German instead. Always got 100 in bookeeping/accounting though. Oh well....
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I used to teach students that when researching a subject, we should naturally suspect ALL data, regardless of source.
Thank you Mac.
Exactly!
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I'm an old editor of the spanish Wikipedia. Nowadays, I'm a retired user, for many reasons; However, despite of its many problems, I still think that Wikipedia is a useful place to start finding some basic information on neutral, non-controversial topics. Peace,
Last edited by Cerio; 08/28/10 11:26 AM.
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I still think that Wikipedia is a useful place to start finding some basic information on neutral, non-controversial topics.
I agree. I was just surprised at how easy it is to edit. Still a good resource.
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Though I view it with mistrust on controversial topics, and squint thoughtfully on others, it's rather useful to me, and it's my opinion that the bad press is overblown.
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Wikipedia is useful to academics. PhD students seem to love it, particularly on home exams. Wiki stuff is quite easy to spot, tho, as it is quite difficult to paraphrase passages that have been paraphrased and re-paraphrased. On a lighter note, The Waterboys's main man Mike Scott tried to correct his own wiki profile. Ah, read more about it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/mar/23/popandrock2Jens
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Wikipedia is useful to academics. PhD students seem to love it, particularly on home exams. Wiki stuff is quite easy to spot, tho, as it is quite difficult to paraphrase passages that have been paraphrased and re-paraphrased. On a lighter note, The Waterboys's main man Mike Scott tried to correct his own wiki profile. Ah, read more about it here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/mar/23/popandrock2
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That story about the Waterboys is funny and sad at the same time. It very clearly described a similar situation (fame excepted) that I had while trying to add some info about PG Music's PowerTracks Pro Audio (see earlier post in the thread).
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