Hi, I am very excited about the new FLAC files but I have one major installation concern.
I have a whole bunch of 'bonus' Realtracks/Realdrums that came with the various bonus paks or with Xtrastyle sets or Xprostyle sets that I have bought over the years and these are installed in the same Realtracks/Realdrums folders as those supplied with the main program. If when I install a new version I first delete the existing Realtracks/Realdrums folders then I would lose all these 'bonus' RT/RDs and figuring out what is missing and reinstalling it would be a nightmare (even if I could still find the install disks - I am talking about well over a decade worth of these bonus tracks!). To counter this I have previously been advised by PG not to delete the old Realtracks/drums folder contents but instead to copy the new ones across over the top and this works fine with the duplicate files just copying over the old ones with the same name & extension and my 'bonus' RTs/RDs being preserved.
However...
As the new versions of the RTs/RDs from 2025 onwards will be FLAC files rather than WAV I assume that they will have a different file extension and will not copy over the existing wav files but instead just be installed alongside them. This will mean that I will end up with duplicates of all the pre-2025 RTs/RDs (one FLAC version and one WAV version) and instead of saving 60% on my disk space I will instead end up using 140% of what I currently use - which kind of defeats the purpose of the smaller FLAC files.
Are PG able to provide some sort of intelligent install function that deletes the old WAV version of an RT/RD file when a FLAC version is available? (or even a post install clean-up utility to do this?). I guess that this issue would only need to be addressed once and then everything would be FLAC only from that point on.
Regards, Aubrey
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Audiophile Version that is shipped on HD - has (should have) everything except for 49Pack that released that year as far as audio goes. So if you are upgrading / crossgrading to 2025 Audiophile + purchasing 49Pack, it will have everything as far as RT/RDs from previous years except for STYLE packs and other non audio add ons that were purchased separately. You will likely be able to download all these style, loop packs separately from "My Product page". Style packs don't contain audio as far as I know. I am not sure about the Loops (if they will be available as Flac).
Would be nice for PGM to clarify / guide to do this the right way.
As I have mentioned in my other post: I have all the style packs and extras I bought as installers in one folder. Most users can download these from their "My Products" page. My plan is when HD arrives to uninstall everything related to PGM. Do a clean install of Flac version and install all the xtra packs I bought on the top.
I see you've been on the forums since 2002, so it's more than likely that you have gathered some material from BIAB that is no longer available. I understand your situation.
Just to clarify... (a) Do you intend to install the FLAC version of BIAB on your computer's internal hard drive (the full FLAC installation is a around 750GB)? (b) Or are you intending to install the compressed file version of BIAB on your hard drive and run the Audiophile version from a USB drive? (c) Alternatively, are you thinking of getting the Audiophile PlusPAK to upgrade your 2024 Audiophile version of the program?
Hi Noel, Thanks to you and Rustyspoon for your responses.
I would be intending to take your option a) (full install of FLAC RT/TDs on my internal computer drive). I have a large, fast SSD installed especially for this.
And you are correct, I do have lots of stuff that probably isn't available from PG any more - I have pretty much bought every plus-pak and style set that I could over the years. What is more I am not sure exactly what I have got so reinstalling (even if I can locate the files) could be a challenge!
Rustyspoon is correct, the style sets don't normally include new track content but I believe that a few of them have had some additional RT/RD content.
Regards, Aubrey
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As far as I'm aware, and it would pay to clarify this with PG Music, there has never been any Realtracks or Realdrums that were a 'once off and never available again' purchase. All Realtracks and Realdrums that have ever been created are still available in today's top level packs.
With this in mind, I would...
(1) Copy your present \Drums and \Realtracks folders to another drive as backup.
(2) Once I had those folders and their contents safely stored, I would delete \bb\drums and \bb\Realtracks within the \bb folder. (It is these files that take up most of BIAB's disk space.)
(3) I would then install the latest version of BIAB directly over the top of your present version of the program (just like you always have).
(4) During this install, I would direct the installation program to add Realtracks to \bb\Realtracks and Realdrums to \bb\Drums. This is the default installation and it will make the installation program create new Realtracks and Realdrums folders in your \bb folder. Your new FLAC files would be installed to those directories.
What I suggest you do is to copy this message and send it in an email to PG Music Sales and ask if this is the best approach to installing the new FLAC files over and existing installation of BIAB that has been built up over a couple of decades. PG Music staff will modify any aspect of the approach that is needed.
We need a forum "sticky". A guide on installing, reinstalling, migrating, etc for different versions. What to do, and what not to do. It would save so much time! Why each year we have these long discussions instead of pointing to a clear written guide by PGM?
P.S. Also, there should be a simple solution that takes care of all purchased (PGM) add ons within BIAB. Not only showing "what is installed" in "Help menu", but also cross referencing user account > downloading and installing everything that is missing in one click.
A Powershell script to do this would be pretty easy. Install all, Run PS script to delete WAV files if FLAC file exists with same name (in simplest form).
PGMusic *should be able to do this with the installer I would think: Install FLAC and delete the matching WAV (if so desired) during the install.
It's early in the release yet, give them some time ...
In the mean time, a PS script to delete duplicates and clear space should be a pretty easy script to write.
Don't run this (it's untested, so needs to be tested on safe data), but here's an idea/concept; navigate to folder in PS then something like -
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I’ve been asking about this for several days and was coming around to installing my RealTracks to a separate new location so I get just Flac files. Then I was going to approach it in reverse by programming something that would copy a RealTrack to that location if no equal name Flac file exists. I think a compare then delete routine might take a lot of time and generate a huge recycle bin. Not sure yet.
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With the right script there is no recycle bin .. you just need to be confident the script will do what you want. I've used scripts to delete by date (keep only last 30 days) and PS does not just move them to Recycle bin, they are gone.
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There are a few trusted duplicate >replace finders out there too with UI, with pretty advanced rules, however, why invite trouble? I think in a short and long run it's in PGM's best interest to have clear instructions and possibly certain tool(s) in place to ensure complex operations that involve many thousands of files go smoothly for everybody.
There are a few trusted duplicate >replace finders out there too with UI, with pretty advanced rules, however, why invite trouble? I think in a short and long run it's in PGM's best interest to have clear instructions and possibly certain tool(s) in place to ensure complex operations that involve many thousands of files go smoothly for everybody.
Absolutely! They have already done much more elaborate with for example this famous "BB_Cleanup.exe"
Thanks for all the responses. I have logged this via Live Chat with Jerry who has promised to pass it along to the development team for their review and response. Let's hope that they can deliver us a suitable utility!
Regards, Aubrey
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The comment that all RealTracks and Drums that have previously been released are included in the current full packages is correct. So you should be able to replace your RealTracks and Drums folders with the shipped ones, unless you have added files to those folders yourself. The drives do not include Xtra styles on them, so if you have any Xtra styles, XPro styles, Loops-with-styles, those need to be installed to the drive - that would add some files to the RealTracks Data folder (mostly style audio demos).
The current Audiophile drive does ship with both .wma and .flacs, since some people want to copy the .wma's to their internal drive. This may change if it seems that people are happy copying the 600GB bb folder to an internal drive (saving 160GB or so by not having the wma's). We plan to add a BiaB feature to delete unneeded wav/wma files, however this is not currently in the program. As noted by a few people it is definitely possible to do with a script, however you have to be very careful because unexpected things can happen and end up deleting files you didn't intend to.
Hi Andrew, The 49-Paks often include RT/RDs that are not shipped with the core product and I have bought all of those over the past decade or more. I am also pretty sure that some of the Xtrastyles/Xprostyles sets (and I have bought all of these) included some additional (non-core) RT/RDs.
This is why PG advised me to copy the new RT/RDs from each new version over the top of my existing RT/RD folders (rather that deleting the existing folder contents before copying the new version over) so that I wouldn't lose these 'non-core' RT/RDs.
For this reason, the feature you mention to delete unwanted (I take it you mean 'duplicate'?) Wav/WMA files would be really useful sooner rather than later.
Many thanks
Regards, Aubrey
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To my understanding, a previous year 49pack is rolled into next year's Audiophile. So to be current, you have to update to 2025 and get the 49 pack.
As far as all other Xtra packs, (which potentially can have RTs) Why not download all those installers to a separate folder? They are much smaller than RT sets, so not a big deal to store them as a local backup.
Last year I tried (successfully) running compare>add script for audiophile. Process was painfully long and there were some errors I had to fight. I think it's better to spend 15-20 minutes, figure out what you bought as far as Xtra packs go, download their installers and do a clean Flac install +Xtra stuff when drive arrives and live happily ever after. But hey, it's your call.
Hi Rustyspoon, Thanks for the above. I hadn’t realised that the 49-PAKs were automatically rolled into the next release. That, as you say, makes the problem more containable. It will be a bit of a chore to reinstall all 26 style packs but if it is a one-off then I guess it will be worth it for the much smaller FLAC footprint.
Best regards, Aubrey
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I was always told that the current 49PAK was included in the current Audiophile and I did not need to purchase it as it contains only wma files. Reaper has a batch converter to convert all wav or wma files to FLAC, it should have an option to skip the folders with that already contain FLAC and remove source file after conversion. You can also do a file search for *.wav with explorer then drag and drop them all into Reaper Batch converter and convert to FLAC removing source wav files after.
It will pull tracks or track sections from SGU or currently running Biab you are working on instantly with no rendering of wav files, you simply have all the tracks frozen, Save Biab then hit the Reload Tracks button in the Reaper script:
Aubrey, Not too bad. These xtra packs download and install fairly fast and you don't have to open BIAB each time. Also, you will have all installers in one place, so if you decide to reinstall at a later time, you don't have to fish for them.
musocity, "I was always told that the current 49PAK was included in the current Audiophile" I believe you are confusing this with Bonus pack, which is included. Not the 49 pack. Next year, in 2026>2025 pack will be rolled in into Audiophile, but there will be a new "optional" 49pack with unreleased tracks that are not in any other tiers of upgrade. So each year to be current on your tracks, you have to buy Ultra or Audiophile + 49pack.
Hello everyone. In my case, I purchased "Special Audiophile upgrade" ($199) I don't need to get rid of wav files just yet. I usually use the Biab 2024 4tb Hd drive as location for RT and RD files. There I have added the 30 Gb of new flac downloables files from Biab 2025. Everything works as expected. Why stop using what works well? This Hd It also has almost two terabytes left for future upgrades
When I receive the SSD, I will install all the add-ons on it and it will simply be a backup that I can also use on another computer. It can also replace the 4tb 2024 hd, depending on whether a significant improvement in operation is noticed
"Why stop using what works well" Lets see here... My internal storage is maxed at 4tb (expencive) nvme. Previous installation 2+TB vs New Flac >1TB. A good enough reason?
Yes, I understand that your case is different. I use the external USB-3 Hd and the renders are very fast. I guess on an internal SSD it should be instantaneous.
Yes, I understand that your case is different. I use the external USB-3 Hd and the renders are very fast. I guess on an internal SSD it should be instantaneous.
Close to it.
And my guess PGM is doing this in part, so most people can have Audiophile on internal drive. Especially that should be easy with desktop systems, as customers can just add SSD that is shipped by PGM (not a spinner) to their system. Not sure if this will void warranty from PGM, but if I had a desktop, this is exactly what I would do.
"Why stop using what works well" Lets see here... My internal storage is maxed at 4tb (expencive) nvme. Previous installation 2+TB vs New Flac >1TB. A good enough reason?
Again, we know here that there are only special cases, your config, my config, his config..... Everyone is right, no problem. I also received a half-empty 4TB disk last year, and I plan to fill it with 2025 without investing in an overpriced NVME. The speeds noted in the BIAB context are not worth the investment, imho.
"The speeds noted in the BIAB context are not worth the investment, imho."
That depends on your usage. If I can save a few hours a year on "speeds", considering generations, partial regenerations, auditions... That alone would worth switching to ssd -all flac version..for me.
Hi All, If you have RT,s and RD,s folders with Wav,Wma and Flac files which one does BIAB play.
It's an excellent question and I don't think we know the actual answer at this stage. Previously when WAV and WMA both existed, WAV was used. But we are still endeavoring to find out where FLAC sits in the mix.
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I think you are right Matt so let's say 1 WAV 2 FLAC 3 WMA. But if in the future we only have FLAC then ...????
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i like your thinking. add in track recording in flac like i can do in another music app and i would be a happy lad. ive done hundreds and hundreds of vocal tracks in flac. noones complained yet.
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If we only have Flac, then, no difference that matters?
As I understand it, WMA files must be read then decompressed then processed by BIAB. Flac files must be read then decoded then processed. WAV files are just read and processed. That explains why I think the priority you were given is not correct. Think of it this way: if all three file types exist for a particular RealTrack, and Flac is chosen first, then why not delete the larger WAV files when Flac files are installed, since the WAV files would never get read?
I have asked specifically about all this. Among other info, PG Music stated that the time to decode Flac files will be insignificant.
I would love to read a more complete explanation of this topic. I was trying to gather info so I could write something to append to the article I wrote in the Tips and Tricks Forum about the audiophile version. Right now, I’m just not sure what to write.
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As I understand it, WMA files must be read then decompressed then processed by BIAB. Flac files must be read then decoded then processed. WAV files are just read and processed. That explains why I think the priority you were given is not correct.
As I understand FLAC, to create a FLAC file the source is compressed using psychoacoustic methods, then decompreseed and a difference correction track is produced from the differences, which correction will be applied when the FLAC is expanded. So on pure processing time from file to usable data, WAV would be quickest, then probably WMA, then FLAC.
However that does not take into account the time taken to read the data from the media. With spinning-rust hard drives, that time is likely significant. I suspect with SSDs, rather less so, or possibly not at all.
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Hi Gordon. I agree with most of that. My unscientific experience with Flac makes me suspect that decoding Flac is faster than uncompressing WMA.
However, PG music chose the highest compression setting for Flac to shrink the files, so decoding on our end takes the longest for the choices of Flac.
And you’re right: adding in the read time and considering the type of drive is important. I think I read that the audiophile drive from PG Music is an SSD. You could be correct especially if using a spinner drive; reading the smaller size WMA files on a spinner drive might indeed be faster than reading Flac files (larger than WMA, smaller than WAV).
It’s all a good question.
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Our tests have showed lightning fast decoding of FLAC files, regardless of method use to compress them, with no discernible differences in speed. That means it takes a long time to compress them, but it’s a short time to decompress them regardless. I don’t see any advantage in using low compression settings on FLAC files, assuming you can wait the extra seconds it takes for the one-time process to compress them. And the benefits is much smaller file sizes with identical lossless results.
Peter, thanks for chipping in. A question being asked (above and elsewhere) is "if there are three file types on disk: FLAC, WAV & WMA, which one will BIAB choose to use?" I am sure we know that WAV will take precedence over WMA, but where does FLAC sit in order of precedence?
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I would love to read a more complete explanation of this topic. I was trying to gather info so I could write something to append to the article I wrote in the Tips and Tricks Forum about the audiophile version. Right now, I’m just not sure what to write.
Matt, If you would, please provide a link to your article in the Tips and Tricks Forum about the audiophile version. I just ordered the 2024 upgrade to 2025 Audiophile Version of BiaB for the 1st time, after all these years. I'm (im)patiently awaiting the SSD ($600+) Thanks again for your generous advice, and help.
Bloc-head, thanks for the kind words. It not hard to find my article. It is a sticky in the Tips and Tricks Forum, the second post. Let me know if you find it helpful.
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Bloc-head, thanks for the kind words. It not hard to find my article. It is a sticky in the Tips and Tricks Forum, the second post. Let me know if you find it helpful.
So the BB Plugin should be playing wma or FLAC direct from disk same as if I send tracks from the Plugin to Reaper it will play the formats direct and allow full editing of any riff. The "Save State" of the Plugin Standalone will play direct instantly from any bar with "Load State" without having to load into RAM. So you can use it for Live Shows.
Yes, Matt Finley has worked to deliver excellent comparative material on the different audio formats, and I am confident that this document will evolve to embrace further technologies as they are established within the program..
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Bloc-head, thanks for the kind words. It not hard to find my article. It is a sticky in the Tips and Tricks Forum, the second post. Let me know if you find it helpful.
Matt, I found your article helpful, and will be very interested in your observations after our Audiophile SSDs arrive. I'm also curious if there will be any perceivable differences in audio quality or performance, with the use of FLAC files.
I'm also curious if there will be any perceivable differences in audio quality or performance, with the use of FLAC files.
I did some tests years ago on various compression formats. Compressing WAVs to FLACs and then decompressing the FLACs back to a new WAVs resulted in the new WAVs binary identical to the original WAVs.
Some people claim that some codecs don't work properly, but I've not personally knowingly seen that.
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I'm also curious if there will be any perceivable differences in audio quality or performance, with the use of FLAC files.
I did some tests years ago on various compression formats. Compressing WAVs to FLACs and then decompressing the FLACs back to a new WAVs resulted in the new WAVs binary identical to the original WAVs.
Some people claim that some codecs don't work properly, but I've not personally knowingly seen that.
What about the time & resources required to de-code the FLACs..?
ive lost count how many tracks ive recorded and played back useing a certain well known daw. prolly thousands of tracks....when i was useing it in conjunction with powertracks and then realband/bb to do songs. plus no stutters or anything. typically with my audient interface i get around 4 millisecs reported and use asio. i use it less these days due to recent rb upgrades...but would be ecstatic if rb supported flac.
all i can say is never any lag or other probs at all. nada...zilch. not one prob ever. and these werent the fastest pc's on the market....often just tarted up cheap refurbs.
ive never had 'flac' from people either....lol.
i'm stoked that pg are starting to embrace flac.
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What about the time & resources required to de-code the FLACs..?
I didn't measure that ... at the time it was of no significance.
From an earlier post in trhis thread:
Originally Posted by PeterGannon
Our tests have showed lightning fast decoding of FLAC files, regardless of method use to compress them....
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I've been asking about that, and you saw the replies. Since they used the heaviest compression level to encode the Flac files, one might suspect a delay in decoding them on our end. Apparently it is not significant, which is great news: we get the smallest files along with solid performance. Before the improvements in handling RealTracks that were made to BIAB 2024 a year ago, this issue might have mattered more. I get my new drive tomorrow and will be able to see for myself.
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I have been a dedicated user since DOS ver. 1.4. 2025 Audiophile is my LAST purchase. FLAC is nothing more than a tarted up MP3 file. I'm 72, but I still have a good set of ears and IMHO, FLAC just does not stand up to .WAV files. Bottom mids and below sound like mush! This is NOT audiophile! I have lived long enough to see the concept of "new and improved" suck! Frankly a product is either "new" or it is "improved" but, not both. Usually it means the product has been cheapened
We can argue all day long regarding whether or not the average person can hear the difference between a well recorded WAV file at 44.1 kHz or higher resolutions, can be perceived. FLAC files claim to be "lossless". Nothing is said regarding whether or not artifacts are created in this process. That is my issue with FLAC. MP3 files are adequate for quickie conversions to share with someone to give an opinion regarding layout and musical content and construction, but we all know they are not audiophile quality.
Also I have been increasingly disappointed with support. When I call in and an issue is beyond the support person's ability to answer, I can understand the need for research to the problem. I am told that "Someone will get back to me." and that is fine except the last 3 times NO ONE has gotten back to me.
So with the demise of WAV files and 3 times lack of promised support, I bid Goodbye to BIAB.
"FLAC is nothing more than a tarted up MP3 file". Mr. Internets generally disagrees with your assessment.
"Nothing is said regarding whether or not artifacts are created in this process." I am sure that a few of thousands of files would have an artifact or two. Seems that you are very confident. Any RT # you want to share people can test?
I have been a dedicated user since DOS ver. 1.4. 2025 Audiophile is my LAST purchase. FLAC is nothing more than a tarted up MP3 file. I'm 72, but I still have a good set of ears and IMHO, FLAC just does not stand up to .WAV files. Bottom mids and below sound like mush! This is NOT audiophile! I have lived long enough to see the concept of "new and improved" suck! Frankly a product is either "new" or it is "improved" but, not both. Usually it means the product has been cheapened
We can argue all day long regarding whether or not the average person can hear the difference between a well recorded WAV file at 44.1 kHz or higher resolutions, can be perceived. FLAC files claim to be "lossless". Nothing is said regarding whether or not artifacts are created in this process. That is my issue with FLAC. MP3 files are adequate for quickie conversions to share with someone to give an opinion regarding layout and musical content and construction, but we all know they are not audiophile quality.
Also I have been increasingly disappointed with support. When I call in and an issue is beyond the support person's ability to answer, I can understand the need for research to the problem. I am told that "Someone will get back to me." and that is fine except the last 3 times NO ONE has gotten back to me.
So with the demise of WAV files and 3 times lack of promised support, I bid Goodbye to BIAB.
When I tested several compressed formats some years ago, I compressed WAV files to FLAC, decompressed those FLAC files to new WAV files and did a binary comparisons. The original and recreated WAV files were binary identical.
I have heard people say that some FLAC codecs are suspect/flawed, but I haven't experienced that myself.
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I have not encountered a ‘flawed’ Flac encoder because I don’t use anything but some quite good software to make Flac files. I suppose some free converters on the Internet might have problems but that’s just a guess.
DJL, I do not recall seeing any posts here in which you reported a problem. I encourage you to make a separate post for each issue and give us a chance to help. If we are stumped, several of us can send a report directly to the developers.
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Hi DJL - In preparing the 2025 Audiophile, we compared all of the decompressed files with the original waves and the audio data in every single one of the ~100K files is identical. Not 'close', but EXACTLY the same, bit for bit.
Wow, that was fast! I just wish that the 3 unanswered problems I had were dealt with that fast! In the demos I pulled up, the bass levels were overpowering. So much so, many of the other instruments couldn't be easily distinguished. In the past, the demo mixes were much more even. Did you use your ears or just look at bit maps? Music is about ears first and foremost isn't it?
I am sad to hear then that the recordings are not up to snuff as the exemplary files the the now dismissed WAV files. In the past, even WAV files were tweaked and improved over time. Having to take most bass from vol. level 90 down to 24 is rather extreme wouldn't you say?
You didn't see any reported problems here as I didn't post questions in the Forums. I prefer to not type. BTW, typing is NOT "chatting", just as there is no "cloud". I dislike modern changes of word usages and definitions. I called with my problems.
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È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
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