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https://soundcloud.com/planobilly/midnight-train?si=1ffd3366683d4014b8304168dfead6dc&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing[Verse] Underneath the silver moon so high Harmonica whispers a lonesome sigh Leather boots tapping on the old wood floor Shadows dancing like they've danced before [Verse] Raindrops on my window paint the night Whiskey in my glass feeling just right Guitar strings crying out my soul Lonely heart singing in this smoky hole [Chorus] Midnight train's a-calling my name Roll on out and escape this pain City lights fading in the rain I'm on that midnight train Oh that midnight train [Verse] Lady luck gone and left me dry Cards and dice they made me sigh Empty pockets and a heavy weight Searching for a sign nothing but fate [Verse] Echoes of a past left far behind Memories in the fog hard to find Suitcase packed with dreams long gone Hoping that train brings a brand new dawn [Chorus] Midnight train's a-calling my name Roll on out and escape this pain City lights fading in the rain I'm on that midnight train Oh that midnight train I found this pretty amazing. This is the second AI song generator I tried to use. I put it in my DAW and played over the track. It may not be very complex but it certainly was logical. I look at some info on the use of this software and I think it is possible to integrate parts of the song into BIAB and other software. I did not change anything in the generated lyrics. While they may not be world-class, they are also not stupid. I also upgraded my Studio One DAW to the current version 7 which has some useful stuff. What do you guys think about the state of the AI? Billy
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“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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Billy, completely agree (again) that this is amazing. The backing track is certainly nice enough, and I like the used of pushed chords (something I can never get to sound natural in BiaB). Lyrics are fine, too. The vocals have a modern country sound that I don't care for much, but that's me. Your guitar fills are cool. Just don't know who's music it is. Maybe I shouldn't care. But I'm still not highly interested in this type of AI for doing something that I enjoy doing myself. Not a criticism of you, just where I'm at...
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AI is not a something to be ignored. Like it or not. The individuality between who/what composes songs is becoming less distinct.
I'm interested. Just how long did that take, from start to finish?
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OK. This is my first experiment with SUNO AI, a song about "creating" music with AI:  https://suno.com/song/357a2dd6-a50c-4329-9fe3-afdb42dfc09eSeriously, this is is disgustingly good, not only the music, arrangements, mix, etc, but also the lyrics. And at the same time, I find it sad, really sad 
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Seriously, this is is disgustingly good, not only the music, arrangements, mix, etc, but also the lyrics. And at the same time, I find it sad, really sad Lots of sentiments - in two short sentences.
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That is brilliant, Ai is coming along in leaps in bounds, give it another 50 years and with similar progress in hunanoid robots, on a night out with friends, someone will remark to one of our descendants, "Hey your Wife (Husband) is unbelievably cool is he/she human or AI" They may well answer, "I'm done with humans a long time ago, from here on it is AI"
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"What do you guys think about the state of the AI?"
Hmm... Billy would you go on a fishing trip catching some robo fish? Might be fun for a while but I think you'll get bored fast. I mean, I am sure you will appreciate some AI in your boat electronics or even fish finder, I don't think actual cyber fish will bring you lots of joy.
State of AI... I think it's breeding like March rabbits.
My take is this. If you want to see original art, you go to a museum or an art show, you don't go to Walmart to look at colorful posters at $9.99 a poo. Sorry a pop.
I am sure there will be plenty of masters and classics of AI prompt typers after certain amount of time passes. But as of now, I think it's bringing a huge tsunami of mediocrity to already heavily saturated place. Mediocrity which is poached (likely not in a very ethical or legal fashion) from something that we already had before.
P.S. Billy, looks like you had a fun fishing trip!
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A guy walks into a bar.
He walks to the jukebox.
He drops in a quarter.
He pushes 2 buttons.
Music begins to play.
He turns around and shouts to the world..."Look what I have created!!!"
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The prompts I put in Suno did not do anything remotely like I intended. "Classic Blues from 1950" It took less than three minutes from start to finish, and less than 30 seconds to generate the song. I had a big laugh about the "Robofish." Imagine a world without humans and only machines, with "robot" people driving around in a "Roboboat" chasing "Robofish!" I am sure I would get tired of catching mechanical fish, but then I get tired of catching the fish I catch and go looking for new varieties of fish. Here is an example. A long tail bass from 800 feet deep. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/wVbZi71.jpg) Any change with a negative economic impact will be met with disdain by those affected. I see the economic issue for the music business to be a serious problem. So has been the change from the days of Vinyl records to the current status of affairs. If human-generated music is truly superior to what will come with AI there will always be a market. That market will likely be much smaller because because of the difference in cost. I think that will be true for the same reason we have Walmart, MP3, and other cost-based products and services. How AI-generated music software develops will have a huge impact on how real musicians will use it. I assume most of us here on this forum have no issue using BIAB to generate songs. That is definitely not the same thing but neither is it Abbey Road Studios with live musicians. I have little interest in randomly generating AI music other than to see what it will produce and the state of the technology. I would like to have an "AI" band in which I could control the individual parts and be able to import those parts into my DAW. I personally would buy a PG Music product of that nature and be willing to pay somewhere between $2000 to $3000 for such a program if it operated in a classical musical way with all the things that are available in standard notation. My guess is that no matter what we think or feel about AI-generated music, it is here to stay and will only get better. We are already competing with machines in almost every job there is and there are economic winners and losers as a result of that. Can machines make people redundant? Well, perhaps they can, but only if we let that happen. To Rustyspoons point about " a huge tsunami of mediocrity," I think we are already there across the board especially here in the United States. Less quality products and services at a higher cost that we have come to simply put up with. Packaging, don't get me started on that rant...lol One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any. For them, AI may be perfect. Skilled musicians will likely not be enamored of the fact that any person who did not put in the work to be a musician can make plausible music. If Eddie was still around I think he would agree with that...lol Well hell, looks like I am back to my inability to be succinct about anything...lol Cheers, Billy
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Bet a Humanoid person with an AI brain (we have to call him/her a person because a law will be passed in the future to give the Humanoid equal rights with Humans) will learn to play a guitar in under a day or so, just like the old time tutor books used to promise.
You may think I have watched too many Star Trek episodes, but maybe it will really happen!
Nice job with the fish Billy. That guy is a beauty.
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“One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any”
I think this is one area AI music will come to the fore.
There are millions of people who would love to generate a personalised song for their aunties birthday, just to say “I love you” in a special personalised way. Up till now that has only been possible if you have a couple of weeks and a couple of hundred dollars.
The other is in soundtrack music licensing. I believe that when they have the copyright issue sorted (and they will), pressurised and cost conscious music supervisors will increasingly turn to AI to quickly generate the perfect song for a movie scene for their ever increasing Netflix type movie catalogues.
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One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any. For them, AI may be perfect. That idea just floors me. How is it acceptable for someone who not only lacks the skill to create something, but is also unwilling to acquire those skills will then take credit for something they didn't create? Certainly, people have the right to own the rights to something they purchased. But that doesn't mean they created it. Calling these people creators devalues true creators. AI depends on someone else to have gone through the effort of learning their craft, playing instruments and singing, recording and distributing their work. It creates a fiction that because AI is able to duplicate the end result, it is somehow equivalent. But that without using other people's works as building blocks, AI wouldn't be able to produce anything. AI generates music without having these things, only because it can copy source material that was created using those things. In contrast, people can continue to create music with their voices and instruments, with no need for computers or AI.
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Originally Posted by Planobilly
"How is it acceptable for someone who not only lacks the skill to create something, but is also unwilling to acquire those skills will then take credit for something they didn't create"
I think Joanne gave you the answer to that one David,
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"There are millions of people who would love to generate a personalised song for their aunties birthday, just to say “I love you” in a special personalised way. Up till now that has only been possible if you have a couple of weeks and a couple of hundred dollars*
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Whether you want to call the process a creation or a generation probably doesn't matter.
In a sense we accept the AI premise already in using BIAB, imagine if a a musician such as a steel guitar player said "how dare you create a song with my instrument in it, just by the push of a button when you haven't spent the hours learning how to play it"
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There are plenty of folks who think using BIAB is cheating just as much as AI generation is cheating but here we are on the BIAB forum!
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute...isn't the entirety of human music and art, knowledge and achievement, incrementally built based on the work of previous humans?
William Faulkner: "Immature artists copy, great artists steal"
Igor Stravinsky: "A good composer does not imitate; he steals"
Steve Jobs: "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
Maybe AI just helps more people steal faster?
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Variant A
Your aunt has a birthday. You go to a bakery and ask the baker to make a unique, personalize cake. You give clear instructions on what you want, accepting the choices offered. Everybody at the party love it.Guests ask:
-Where did you get it? Tastes and looks great!
You reply:
-Bakery makes it, but I gave them an amazing set of instructions.
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Your aunt has a birthday. You bake a cake. Using a recipe from Internet and a few store bought decoration & topers. Aunt asks:
-Where did you get this cake?
-I baked it for you, dear Auntie.
-I love you!
JJJ interesting concept:
"Maybe AI just helps more people steal faster?"
I will "borrow" a line from a known band to try to answer this with yet another question:
"what you gonna do with all that junk inside that trunk?"
And another thought:
Painting of Mona Lisa at Louvre - Master piece
Your 8y.o. child's interpretation of Mona Lisa - Sacred
Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate.
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I personally don’t think there is much difference between using AI and using BIAB to generate drums and using synth v to generate vocals.
Almost every abled bodied and able mined person can learn to play drums and can learn to sing. It is just a matter of whether that person sees the worth in developing these skills or not.
Is the opportunity cost of learning these skills worth, say, sending less time playing a sport or writing or painting or whatever other things the person want to do with their time?
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"Is the opportunity cost of learning these skills worth, say, sending less time playing a sport or writing or painting or whatever other things the person want to do with their time?"
What??
If you don't enjoy music making process, than yes it likely is not worth it. I assume the app you are advertising is aimed at those millions who have better things to do with their time than to write / compose music themselves?
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"Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate." Stop it!. You're killing me with practicality 
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I see a difference between using BB and things like SynthV where you have to actually do things manually to create the music you want vs using AI which generates the lyrics, melody, music, and production in 20 seconds from a one sentence prompt. In the online groups on social media that cater to AI generated music, people who can't sing, can't play any instrument, and have no clue about recording a basic track are considering themselves to be musicians now with the AI generator as their "instrument". Yes... I think AI is a great tool and I have been using it in a number of songs. I rarely ever take it straight from the AI generation, choosing to edit the lyrics and often playing the parts myself on keys and guitars because, well, lets be honest, AI still has a way to go on some things. I also replace the vocals with one of the SV voices for the same reasons. Just like any advance that changes the paradigm, a lot of people resist the inevitable changes that are being instituted by the newer technology. How this all shakes out is yet to be settled. I think we're in the Model-T, Wright Brothers stage with AI right now. Look at the changes over the last 2 years. 2 years ago, I would never have used one of the vocaloid voices because they were horrible. AI music wasn't a thing yet. In 24 months, look where it has come. Wait another year or two. Suno, one of the many AI generators is dropping HUGE improvements to their platform every couple of months. We're just getting started. Even PG Music is integrating AI tools into the new versions that they are releasing. I just watched a video this morning that took an interesting look at AI and the implications of what is happening now with AI and copyright and content rules.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Variant A
Your aunt has a birthday. You go to a bakery and ask the baker to make a unique, personalize cake. You give clear instructions on what you want, accepting the choices offered. Everybody at the party love it.Guests ask:
-Where did you get it? Tastes and looks great!
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Your aunt has a birthday. You bake a cake. Using a recipe from Internet and a few store bought decoration & topers. Aunt asks:
-Where did you get this cake?
-I baked it for you, dear Auntie.
-I love you! Variant C Your aunt has a birthday. You pick up a cake from the Walmart bakery that has no customization at all. Aunt asks: -Where did you get this cake? -I baked it for you, dear Auntie. -I love you! Painting of Mona Lisa at Louvre - Master piece
Your 8y.o. child's interpretation of Mona Lisa - Sacred
Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate. But I'll never travel to Louvre so to me the Hallmark card has *more* value than that original painting. And why is that painting special? Because we say it is! Does it feed the poor? Or clothe the refugee? Or cure my mom's cancer? No, it just hangs in a museum so privileged people can look at it and, apparently, enhance their boring lives with it. (You make excellent points...I'm just expressing my contrarian nature!)
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Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
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