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https://soundcloud.com/planobilly/midnight-train?si=1ffd3366683d4014b8304168dfead6dc&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing[Verse] Underneath the silver moon so high Harmonica whispers a lonesome sigh Leather boots tapping on the old wood floor Shadows dancing like they've danced before [Verse] Raindrops on my window paint the night Whiskey in my glass feeling just right Guitar strings crying out my soul Lonely heart singing in this smoky hole [Chorus] Midnight train's a-calling my name Roll on out and escape this pain City lights fading in the rain I'm on that midnight train Oh that midnight train [Verse] Lady luck gone and left me dry Cards and dice they made me sigh Empty pockets and a heavy weight Searching for a sign nothing but fate [Verse] Echoes of a past left far behind Memories in the fog hard to find Suitcase packed with dreams long gone Hoping that train brings a brand new dawn [Chorus] Midnight train's a-calling my name Roll on out and escape this pain City lights fading in the rain I'm on that midnight train Oh that midnight train I found this pretty amazing. This is the second AI song generator I tried to use. I put it in my DAW and played over the track. It may not be very complex but it certainly was logical. I look at some info on the use of this software and I think it is possible to integrate parts of the song into BIAB and other software. I did not change anything in the generated lyrics. While they may not be world-class, they are also not stupid. I also upgraded my Studio One DAW to the current version 7 which has some useful stuff. What do you guys think about the state of the AI? Billy
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Billy, completely agree (again) that this is amazing. The backing track is certainly nice enough, and I like the used of pushed chords (something I can never get to sound natural in BiaB). Lyrics are fine, too. The vocals have a modern country sound that I don't care for much, but that's me. Your guitar fills are cool. Just don't know who's music it is. Maybe I shouldn't care. But I'm still not highly interested in this type of AI for doing something that I enjoy doing myself. Not a criticism of you, just where I'm at...
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AI is not a something to be ignored. Like it or not. The individuality between who/what composes songs is becoming less distinct.
I'm interested. Just how long did that take, from start to finish?
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OK. This is my first experiment with SUNO AI, a song about "creating" music with AI:  https://suno.com/song/357a2dd6-a50c-4329-9fe3-afdb42dfc09eSeriously, this is is disgustingly good, not only the music, arrangements, mix, etc, but also the lyrics. And at the same time, I find it sad, really sad 
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Seriously, this is is disgustingly good, not only the music, arrangements, mix, etc, but also the lyrics. And at the same time, I find it sad, really sad Lots of sentiments - in two short sentences.
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That is brilliant, Ai is coming along in leaps in bounds, give it another 50 years and with similar progress in hunanoid robots, on a night out with friends, someone will remark to one of our descendants, "Hey your Wife (Husband) is unbelievably cool is he/she human or AI" They may well answer, "I'm done with humans a long time ago, from here on it is AI"
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"What do you guys think about the state of the AI?"
Hmm... Billy would you go on a fishing trip catching some robo fish? Might be fun for a while but I think you'll get bored fast. I mean, I am sure you will appreciate some AI in your boat electronics or even fish finder, I don't think actual cyber fish will bring you lots of joy.
State of AI... I think it's breeding like March rabbits.
My take is this. If you want to see original art, you go to a museum or an art show, you don't go to Walmart to look at colorful posters at $9.99 a poo. Sorry a pop.
I am sure there will be plenty of masters and classics of AI prompt typers after certain amount of time passes. But as of now, I think it's bringing a huge tsunami of mediocrity to already heavily saturated place. Mediocrity which is poached (likely not in a very ethical or legal fashion) from something that we already had before.
P.S. Billy, looks like you had a fun fishing trip!
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A guy walks into a bar.
He walks to the jukebox.
He drops in a quarter.
He pushes 2 buttons.
Music begins to play.
He turns around and shouts to the world..."Look what I have created!!!"
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The prompts I put in Suno did not do anything remotely like I intended. "Classic Blues from 1950" It took less than three minutes from start to finish, and less than 30 seconds to generate the song. I had a big laugh about the "Robofish." Imagine a world without humans and only machines, with "robot" people driving around in a "Roboboat" chasing "Robofish!" I am sure I would get tired of catching mechanical fish, but then I get tired of catching the fish I catch and go looking for new varieties of fish. Here is an example. A long tail bass from 800 feet deep. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/wVbZi71.jpg) Any change with a negative economic impact will be met with disdain by those affected. I see the economic issue for the music business to be a serious problem. So has been the change from the days of Vinyl records to the current status of affairs. If human-generated music is truly superior to what will come with AI there will always be a market. That market will likely be much smaller because because of the difference in cost. I think that will be true for the same reason we have Walmart, MP3, and other cost-based products and services. How AI-generated music software develops will have a huge impact on how real musicians will use it. I assume most of us here on this forum have no issue using BIAB to generate songs. That is definitely not the same thing but neither is it Abbey Road Studios with live musicians. I have little interest in randomly generating AI music other than to see what it will produce and the state of the technology. I would like to have an "AI" band in which I could control the individual parts and be able to import those parts into my DAW. I personally would buy a PG Music product of that nature and be willing to pay somewhere between $2000 to $3000 for such a program if it operated in a classical musical way with all the things that are available in standard notation. My guess is that no matter what we think or feel about AI-generated music, it is here to stay and will only get better. We are already competing with machines in almost every job there is and there are economic winners and losers as a result of that. Can machines make people redundant? Well, perhaps they can, but only if we let that happen. To Rustyspoons point about " a huge tsunami of mediocrity," I think we are already there across the board especially here in the United States. Less quality products and services at a higher cost that we have come to simply put up with. Packaging, don't get me started on that rant...lol One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any. For them, AI may be perfect. Skilled musicians will likely not be enamored of the fact that any person who did not put in the work to be a musician can make plausible music. If Eddie was still around I think he would agree with that...lol Well hell, looks like I am back to my inability to be succinct about anything...lol Cheers, Billy
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Bet a Humanoid person with an AI brain (we have to call him/her a person because a law will be passed in the future to give the Humanoid equal rights with Humans) will learn to play a guitar in under a day or so, just like the old time tutor books used to promise.
You may think I have watched too many Star Trek episodes, but maybe it will really happen!
Nice job with the fish Billy. That guy is a beauty.
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“One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any”
I think this is one area AI music will come to the fore.
There are millions of people who would love to generate a personalised song for their aunties birthday, just to say “I love you” in a special personalised way. Up till now that has only been possible if you have a couple of weeks and a couple of hundred dollars.
The other is in soundtrack music licensing. I believe that when they have the copyright issue sorted (and they will), pressurised and cost conscious music supervisors will increasingly turn to AI to quickly generate the perfect song for a movie scene for their ever increasing Netflix type movie catalogues.
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One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any. For them, AI may be perfect. That idea just floors me. How is it acceptable for someone who not only lacks the skill to create something, but is also unwilling to acquire those skills will then take credit for something they didn't create? Certainly, people have the right to own the rights to something they purchased. But that doesn't mean they created it. Calling these people creators devalues true creators. AI depends on someone else to have gone through the effort of learning their craft, playing instruments and singing, recording and distributing their work. It creates a fiction that because AI is able to duplicate the end result, it is somehow equivalent. But that without using other people's works as building blocks, AI wouldn't be able to produce anything. AI generates music without having these things, only because it can copy source material that was created using those things. In contrast, people can continue to create music with their voices and instruments, with no need for computers or AI.
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Originally Posted by Planobilly
"How is it acceptable for someone who not only lacks the skill to create something, but is also unwilling to acquire those skills will then take credit for something they didn't create"
I think Joanne gave you the answer to that one David,
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"There are millions of people who would love to generate a personalised song for their aunties birthday, just to say “I love you” in a special personalised way. Up till now that has only been possible if you have a couple of weeks and a couple of hundred dollars*
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Whether you want to call the process a creation or a generation probably doesn't matter.
In a sense we accept the AI premise already in using BIAB, imagine if a a musician such as a steel guitar player said "how dare you create a song with my instrument in it, just by the push of a button when you haven't spent the hours learning how to play it"
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There are plenty of folks who think using BIAB is cheating just as much as AI generation is cheating but here we are on the BIAB forum!
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute...isn't the entirety of human music and art, knowledge and achievement, incrementally built based on the work of previous humans?
William Faulkner: "Immature artists copy, great artists steal"
Igor Stravinsky: "A good composer does not imitate; he steals"
Steve Jobs: "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
Maybe AI just helps more people steal faster?
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Variant A
Your aunt has a birthday. You go to a bakery and ask the baker to make a unique, personalize cake. You give clear instructions on what you want, accepting the choices offered. Everybody at the party love it.Guests ask:
-Where did you get it? Tastes and looks great!
You reply:
-Bakery makes it, but I gave them an amazing set of instructions.
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Your aunt has a birthday. You bake a cake. Using a recipe from Internet and a few store bought decoration & topers. Aunt asks:
-Where did you get this cake?
-I baked it for you, dear Auntie.
-I love you!
JJJ interesting concept:
"Maybe AI just helps more people steal faster?"
I will "borrow" a line from a known band to try to answer this with yet another question:
"what you gonna do with all that junk inside that trunk?"
And another thought:
Painting of Mona Lisa at Louvre - Master piece
Your 8y.o. child's interpretation of Mona Lisa - Sacred
Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate.
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I personally don’t think there is much difference between using AI and using BIAB to generate drums and using synth v to generate vocals.
Almost every abled bodied and able mined person can learn to play drums and can learn to sing. It is just a matter of whether that person sees the worth in developing these skills or not.
Is the opportunity cost of learning these skills worth, say, sending less time playing a sport or writing or painting or whatever other things the person want to do with their time?
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"Is the opportunity cost of learning these skills worth, say, sending less time playing a sport or writing or painting or whatever other things the person want to do with their time?"
What??
If you don't enjoy music making process, than yes it likely is not worth it. I assume the app you are advertising is aimed at those millions who have better things to do with their time than to write / compose music themselves?
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"Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate." Stop it!. You're killing me with practicality 
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I see a difference between using BB and things like SynthV where you have to actually do things manually to create the music you want vs using AI which generates the lyrics, melody, music, and production in 20 seconds from a one sentence prompt. In the online groups on social media that cater to AI generated music, people who can't sing, can't play any instrument, and have no clue about recording a basic track are considering themselves to be musicians now with the AI generator as their "instrument". Yes... I think AI is a great tool and I have been using it in a number of songs. I rarely ever take it straight from the AI generation, choosing to edit the lyrics and often playing the parts myself on keys and guitars because, well, lets be honest, AI still has a way to go on some things. I also replace the vocals with one of the SV voices for the same reasons. Just like any advance that changes the paradigm, a lot of people resist the inevitable changes that are being instituted by the newer technology. How this all shakes out is yet to be settled. I think we're in the Model-T, Wright Brothers stage with AI right now. Look at the changes over the last 2 years. 2 years ago, I would never have used one of the vocaloid voices because they were horrible. AI music wasn't a thing yet. In 24 months, look where it has come. Wait another year or two. Suno, one of the many AI generators is dropping HUGE improvements to their platform every couple of months. We're just getting started. Even PG Music is integrating AI tools into the new versions that they are releasing. I just watched a video this morning that took an interesting look at AI and the implications of what is happening now with AI and copyright and content rules.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Variant A
Your aunt has a birthday. You go to a bakery and ask the baker to make a unique, personalize cake. You give clear instructions on what you want, accepting the choices offered. Everybody at the party love it.Guests ask:
-Where did you get it? Tastes and looks great!
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Your aunt has a birthday. You bake a cake. Using a recipe from Internet and a few store bought decoration & topers. Aunt asks:
-Where did you get this cake?
-I baked it for you, dear Auntie.
-I love you! Variant C Your aunt has a birthday. You pick up a cake from the Walmart bakery that has no customization at all. Aunt asks: -Where did you get this cake? -I baked it for you, dear Auntie. -I love you! Painting of Mona Lisa at Louvre - Master piece
Your 8y.o. child's interpretation of Mona Lisa - Sacred
Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate. But I'll never travel to Louvre so to me the Hallmark card has *more* value than that original painting. And why is that painting special? Because we say it is! Does it feed the poor? Or clothe the refugee? Or cure my mom's cancer? No, it just hangs in a museum so privileged people can look at it and, apparently, enhance their boring lives with it. (You make excellent points...I'm just expressing my contrarian nature!)
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Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!
All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!
It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
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