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https://soundcloud.com/planobilly/midnight-train?si=1ffd3366683d4014b8304168dfead6dc&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing[Verse] Underneath the silver moon so high Harmonica whispers a lonesome sigh Leather boots tapping on the old wood floor Shadows dancing like they've danced before [Verse] Raindrops on my window paint the night Whiskey in my glass feeling just right Guitar strings crying out my soul Lonely heart singing in this smoky hole [Chorus] Midnight train's a-calling my name Roll on out and escape this pain City lights fading in the rain I'm on that midnight train Oh that midnight train [Verse] Lady luck gone and left me dry Cards and dice they made me sigh Empty pockets and a heavy weight Searching for a sign nothing but fate [Verse] Echoes of a past left far behind Memories in the fog hard to find Suitcase packed with dreams long gone Hoping that train brings a brand new dawn [Chorus] Midnight train's a-calling my name Roll on out and escape this pain City lights fading in the rain I'm on that midnight train Oh that midnight train I found this pretty amazing. This is the second AI song generator I tried to use. I put it in my DAW and played over the track. It may not be very complex but it certainly was logical. I look at some info on the use of this software and I think it is possible to integrate parts of the song into BIAB and other software. I did not change anything in the generated lyrics. While they may not be world-class, they are also not stupid. I also upgraded my Studio One DAW to the current version 7 which has some useful stuff. What do you guys think about the state of the AI? Billy
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“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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Billy, completely agree (again) that this is amazing. The backing track is certainly nice enough, and I like the used of pushed chords (something I can never get to sound natural in BiaB). Lyrics are fine, too. The vocals have a modern country sound that I don't care for much, but that's me. Your guitar fills are cool. Just don't know who's music it is. Maybe I shouldn't care. But I'm still not highly interested in this type of AI for doing something that I enjoy doing myself. Not a criticism of you, just where I'm at...
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AI is not a something to be ignored. Like it or not. The individuality between who/what composes songs is becoming less distinct.
I'm interested. Just how long did that take, from start to finish?
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OK. This is my first experiment with SUNO AI, a song about "creating" music with AI:  https://suno.com/song/357a2dd6-a50c-4329-9fe3-afdb42dfc09eSeriously, this is is disgustingly good, not only the music, arrangements, mix, etc, but also the lyrics. And at the same time, I find it sad, really sad 
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Seriously, this is is disgustingly good, not only the music, arrangements, mix, etc, but also the lyrics. And at the same time, I find it sad, really sad Lots of sentiments - in two short sentences.
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That is brilliant, Ai is coming along in leaps in bounds, give it another 50 years and with similar progress in hunanoid robots, on a night out with friends, someone will remark to one of our descendants, "Hey your Wife (Husband) is unbelievably cool is he/she human or AI" They may well answer, "I'm done with humans a long time ago, from here on it is AI"
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"What do you guys think about the state of the AI?"
Hmm... Billy would you go on a fishing trip catching some robo fish? Might be fun for a while but I think you'll get bored fast. I mean, I am sure you will appreciate some AI in your boat electronics or even fish finder, I don't think actual cyber fish will bring you lots of joy.
State of AI... I think it's breeding like March rabbits.
My take is this. If you want to see original art, you go to a museum or an art show, you don't go to Walmart to look at colorful posters at $9.99 a poo. Sorry a pop.
I am sure there will be plenty of masters and classics of AI prompt typers after certain amount of time passes. But as of now, I think it's bringing a huge tsunami of mediocrity to already heavily saturated place. Mediocrity which is poached (likely not in a very ethical or legal fashion) from something that we already had before.
P.S. Billy, looks like you had a fun fishing trip!
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A guy walks into a bar.
He walks to the jukebox.
He drops in a quarter.
He pushes 2 buttons.
Music begins to play.
He turns around and shouts to the world..."Look what I have created!!!"
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The prompts I put in Suno did not do anything remotely like I intended. "Classic Blues from 1950" It took less than three minutes from start to finish, and less than 30 seconds to generate the song. I had a big laugh about the "Robofish." Imagine a world without humans and only machines, with "robot" people driving around in a "Roboboat" chasing "Robofish!" I am sure I would get tired of catching mechanical fish, but then I get tired of catching the fish I catch and go looking for new varieties of fish. Here is an example. A long tail bass from 800 feet deep. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/wVbZi71.jpg) Any change with a negative economic impact will be met with disdain by those affected. I see the economic issue for the music business to be a serious problem. So has been the change from the days of Vinyl records to the current status of affairs. If human-generated music is truly superior to what will come with AI there will always be a market. That market will likely be much smaller because because of the difference in cost. I think that will be true for the same reason we have Walmart, MP3, and other cost-based products and services. How AI-generated music software develops will have a huge impact on how real musicians will use it. I assume most of us here on this forum have no issue using BIAB to generate songs. That is definitely not the same thing but neither is it Abbey Road Studios with live musicians. I have little interest in randomly generating AI music other than to see what it will produce and the state of the technology. I would like to have an "AI" band in which I could control the individual parts and be able to import those parts into my DAW. I personally would buy a PG Music product of that nature and be willing to pay somewhere between $2000 to $3000 for such a program if it operated in a classical musical way with all the things that are available in standard notation. My guess is that no matter what we think or feel about AI-generated music, it is here to stay and will only get better. We are already competing with machines in almost every job there is and there are economic winners and losers as a result of that. Can machines make people redundant? Well, perhaps they can, but only if we let that happen. To Rustyspoons point about " a huge tsunami of mediocrity," I think we are already there across the board especially here in the United States. Less quality products and services at a higher cost that we have come to simply put up with. Packaging, don't get me started on that rant...lol One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any. For them, AI may be perfect. Skilled musicians will likely not be enamored of the fact that any person who did not put in the work to be a musician can make plausible music. If Eddie was still around I think he would agree with that...lol Well hell, looks like I am back to my inability to be succinct about anything...lol Cheers, Billy
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Bet a Humanoid person with an AI brain (we have to call him/her a person because a law will be passed in the future to give the Humanoid equal rights with Humans) will learn to play a guitar in under a day or so, just like the old time tutor books used to promise.
You may think I have watched too many Star Trek episodes, but maybe it will really happen!
Nice job with the fish Billy. That guy is a beauty.
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“One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any”
I think this is one area AI music will come to the fore.
There are millions of people who would love to generate a personalised song for their aunties birthday, just to say “I love you” in a special personalised way. Up till now that has only been possible if you have a couple of weeks and a couple of hundred dollars.
The other is in soundtrack music licensing. I believe that when they have the copyright issue sorted (and they will), pressurised and cost conscious music supervisors will increasingly turn to AI to quickly generate the perfect song for a movie scene for their ever increasing Netflix type movie catalogues.
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One thing we have to consider is that there are thousands of people who would like to create music with absolutely no skills to do so and who are unwilling to acquire any. For them, AI may be perfect. That idea just floors me. How is it acceptable for someone who not only lacks the skill to create something, but is also unwilling to acquire those skills will then take credit for something they didn't create? Certainly, people have the right to own the rights to something they purchased. But that doesn't mean they created it. Calling these people creators devalues true creators. AI depends on someone else to have gone through the effort of learning their craft, playing instruments and singing, recording and distributing their work. It creates a fiction that because AI is able to duplicate the end result, it is somehow equivalent. But that without using other people's works as building blocks, AI wouldn't be able to produce anything. AI generates music without having these things, only because it can copy source material that was created using those things. In contrast, people can continue to create music with their voices and instruments, with no need for computers or AI.
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Originally Posted by Planobilly
"How is it acceptable for someone who not only lacks the skill to create something, but is also unwilling to acquire those skills will then take credit for something they didn't create"
I think Joanne gave you the answer to that one David,
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"There are millions of people who would love to generate a personalised song for their aunties birthday, just to say “I love you” in a special personalised way. Up till now that has only been possible if you have a couple of weeks and a couple of hundred dollars*
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Whether you want to call the process a creation or a generation probably doesn't matter.
In a sense we accept the AI premise already in using BIAB, imagine if a a musician such as a steel guitar player said "how dare you create a song with my instrument in it, just by the push of a button when you haven't spent the hours learning how to play it"
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There are plenty of folks who think using BIAB is cheating just as much as AI generation is cheating but here we are on the BIAB forum!
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute...isn't the entirety of human music and art, knowledge and achievement, incrementally built based on the work of previous humans?
William Faulkner: "Immature artists copy, great artists steal"
Igor Stravinsky: "A good composer does not imitate; he steals"
Steve Jobs: "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
Maybe AI just helps more people steal faster?
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Variant A
Your aunt has a birthday. You go to a bakery and ask the baker to make a unique, personalize cake. You give clear instructions on what you want, accepting the choices offered. Everybody at the party love it.Guests ask:
-Where did you get it? Tastes and looks great!
You reply:
-Bakery makes it, but I gave them an amazing set of instructions.
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Your aunt has a birthday. You bake a cake. Using a recipe from Internet and a few store bought decoration & topers. Aunt asks:
-Where did you get this cake?
-I baked it for you, dear Auntie.
-I love you!
JJJ interesting concept:
"Maybe AI just helps more people steal faster?"
I will "borrow" a line from a known band to try to answer this with yet another question:
"what you gonna do with all that junk inside that trunk?"
And another thought:
Painting of Mona Lisa at Louvre - Master piece
Your 8y.o. child's interpretation of Mona Lisa - Sacred
Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate.
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I personally don’t think there is much difference between using AI and using BIAB to generate drums and using synth v to generate vocals.
Almost every abled bodied and able mined person can learn to play drums and can learn to sing. It is just a matter of whether that person sees the worth in developing these skills or not.
Is the opportunity cost of learning these skills worth, say, sending less time playing a sport or writing or painting or whatever other things the person want to do with their time?
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"Is the opportunity cost of learning these skills worth, say, sending less time playing a sport or writing or painting or whatever other things the person want to do with their time?"
What??
If you don't enjoy music making process, than yes it likely is not worth it. I assume the app you are advertising is aimed at those millions who have better things to do with their time than to write / compose music themselves?
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"Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate." Stop it!. You're killing me with practicality 
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I see a difference between using BB and things like SynthV where you have to actually do things manually to create the music you want vs using AI which generates the lyrics, melody, music, and production in 20 seconds from a one sentence prompt. In the online groups on social media that cater to AI generated music, people who can't sing, can't play any instrument, and have no clue about recording a basic track are considering themselves to be musicians now with the AI generator as their "instrument". Yes... I think AI is a great tool and I have been using it in a number of songs. I rarely ever take it straight from the AI generation, choosing to edit the lyrics and often playing the parts myself on keys and guitars because, well, lets be honest, AI still has a way to go on some things. I also replace the vocals with one of the SV voices for the same reasons. Just like any advance that changes the paradigm, a lot of people resist the inevitable changes that are being instituted by the newer technology. How this all shakes out is yet to be settled. I think we're in the Model-T, Wright Brothers stage with AI right now. Look at the changes over the last 2 years. 2 years ago, I would never have used one of the vocaloid voices because they were horrible. AI music wasn't a thing yet. In 24 months, look where it has come. Wait another year or two. Suno, one of the many AI generators is dropping HUGE improvements to their platform every couple of months. We're just getting started. Even PG Music is integrating AI tools into the new versions that they are releasing. I just watched a video this morning that took an interesting look at AI and the implications of what is happening now with AI and copyright and content rules.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Variant A
Your aunt has a birthday. You go to a bakery and ask the baker to make a unique, personalize cake. You give clear instructions on what you want, accepting the choices offered. Everybody at the party love it.Guests ask:
-Where did you get it? Tastes and looks great!
You reply:
-Bakery makes it, but I gave them an amazing set of instructions.
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Your aunt has a birthday. You bake a cake. Using a recipe from Internet and a few store bought decoration & topers. Aunt asks:
-Where did you get this cake?
-I baked it for you, dear Auntie.
-I love you! Variant C Your aunt has a birthday. You pick up a cake from the Walmart bakery that has no customization at all. Aunt asks: -Where did you get this cake? -I baked it for you, dear Auntie. -I love you! Painting of Mona Lisa at Louvre - Master piece
Your 8y.o. child's interpretation of Mona Lisa - Sacred
Hallmark birthday card with Mona Lisa on the cover- next morning trash can candidate. But I'll never travel to Louvre so to me the Hallmark card has *more* value than that original painting. And why is that painting special? Because we say it is! Does it feed the poor? Or clothe the refugee? Or cure my mom's cancer? No, it just hangs in a museum so privileged people can look at it and, apparently, enhance their boring lives with it. (You make excellent points...I'm just expressing my contrarian nature!)
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If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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