Well Herb we can agree to disagree. Even if you write the entire score, the musicians you use in the studio will interpret it differently. That is the reason we may chose to use one studio musician over another.

You can say that you created the song but the creation part was general in nature and did not only involve you. The lyrics are certainly yours to claim if they are not too derivative. If you wrote all the parts out in standard notation and the musicians tried their best to play as written it still will not come out exactly as it was imagined by you. The production engineers and other studio people will change the sound.

You may have impregnated the woman but she created the baby.

People who know who they are and are ok with themselves generally give credit to all who were involved in the creation of a song. Most people get left out of the credit because of money.

If we are talking about a BIAB song or other similar types of software the "creation" part has already been done by others for the most part and we normally indicate this on this forum. But the moment you upload it to Soundcloud and do not indicate it was electronically created it is more or less impossible to tell who did what.

This is all about ethics and telling the exact truth. The legal implications have little or nothing to do with ethics or telling the truth.

Omitting the facts is just another form of evading the truth.

Well, this is my take and no one needs to agree with me. This is just my thinking on the matter and not a post to try to convince anyone to agree or disagree.

This whole AI discussion rapidly becomes about the concerns related to who owns what and who will get paid, plus the whining about all the years of work I put in to learn how to do what you can now do with zero effort.

I spent a huge amount of time, money, and effort learning how to use woodworking hand tools. I now do that work with computer numerically controlled electric tools. Not to say I never use hand tools or that I don't enjoy working with hand tools. The CNC machines produce much better results than I can do by hand.

As military pilots, we have spent zillions of dollars learning to fly and we love what we do, only to be replaced by computer pilots who are not subject to the g force with the latest aircraft. The latest discussion is around do we allow those "AI pilots" to have full independent control of who they kill.

If Ai takes your job there is not much that can be done about it. Get over it and go to number next. What other choice would you have? As we have seen of late violent action in an attempt to change things besides being stupid and barbaric simply will not change the state of the medical insurance system.

What people often fail to understand is that music creation software is not so much about creating music but about creating profit for the makers of the software.

Cheers,

Billy

Last edited by Planobilly; 12/11/24 01:13 PM.
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