Originally Posted by JoanneCooper
David
I personally don’t think there is much difference between using AI and using BIAB to generate drums and using synth v to generate vocals.
I see a lot of difference.

First, there's the ethical dimension. With BiaB and SynthV, the people whose instruments and voices are used willingly entered into a contract to have their instruments and voices used for the creation of new works, and were compensated for their work.

At its core, BiaB is automated loops. I've got a number of bass and drum loop construction sets. Similarly, SynthV is based on concatenative synthesis. For both products, there's a direct correlation between the source material and the end result.

That's not the case with AI. There's no way to know where the guitar riff, the drum groove or the vocal came from. The people whose songs AI learned from never intended their music to be used as raw materials for someone else's song. AI classifies and reconstructs, but doesn't know where the source material for the songs came from, or how much might be infringing. The developers can only hope that the process of using lots of source material will end up hiding where AI took the ideas from.

AI has never sung, never held a drumstick, fretted a guitar, bowed a string, blown a horn or reed. AI has only seen the end result. Every sound that it's produced has been derived from someone else's work.

Second, I'm talking about what it means to take credit for the creation of something.

If I tell someone that I "wrote" a song, I mean that the words a melody were created by me.

If it was co-written by someone else, it would be dishonest to claim full credit. If I only suggested ideas for a song, but I didn't actually write the words, it would also be dishonest to claim credit for the creation of the song.

Just because AI won't tell others that we didn't do the work ourselves doesn't mean we should give ourselves any more credit than if that work hadn't been done by a person.

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Almost every abled bodied and able mined person can learn to play drums and can learn to sing. It is just a matter of whether that person sees the worth in developing these skills or not.
And that's their right. There's no requirement that someone learn to play drums or sing.

I can play drums and sing, but use BiaB and SynthV. If you check out my songs, you'll see that I credit BiaB for the backing tracks, and SynthV for the vocals.

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Is the opportunity cost of learning these skills worth, say, sending less time playing a sport or writing or painting or whatever other things the person want to do with their time?
I'm not saying that people can't use these tools.

I object to people taking credit for work done by others as if it were their own.

-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?