Originally Posted by Planobilly
Just assuming all the legal questions and answers provided by David and others are correct, are they enforceable?
Well, copyright law is enforceable. But usually it is only enforced in civil court when there is enough money to be made to make it worthwhile. I'd guess AI laws could be similarly enforced if they could be proven to have been broken.

Originally Posted by Planobilly
Assuming that AI-generated lyrics can not be copyrighted, how could it be proven in a court of law?
Ah, that is yet to be determined I guess.

Originally Posted by Planobilly
ChatGPT returned this line "KIller at the gate, they're hungry for more" at my request.

I say/swear I wrote that line. Can anyone prove in court that I did not write that line and it was written by an AI?
Maybe not but maybe so. I can prolly write some code to feed similar ideas into an AI and at some point it may spit out that identical line. If it does then that may be proof that somebody copied somebody!

But a different concern that could be raised (one that I already have with BIAB) is what if the exact same line (or melody riff in BIAB) gets delivered to a dozen or a hundred different people?

Originally Posted by Planobilly
If I get an idea from AI and then rewrite the lyric is it then my original work? How could it not be?
I think if you change what the AI gave you in some significant way you'd easily be in the clear.

Originally Posted by Planobilly
There are millions of musicians who write millions of songs. Who will check to see if they are legal or not as it relates to AI?
I guess no one will check anything UNLESS there is big money at stake! Ask Led Zep how much it cost them to have to go back and give co-writing credits to the estates of the artists from whom they stole songs! Me, on the other hand, I could steal those songs all day long and no one would ever care. And the 3 listens I got on Soundcloud were my wife, my mom and my dog anyway (and they'd never rat me out!)

Originally Posted by Planobilly
For better or worse, there are zillions of people who could give a damn less about questions of ethics. They are quite ready to lie, cheat, and steal for a profit. Therefore we must try to have laws to try to prevent that. The laws have to be enforceable to be of any use.
The laws often don't apply to the powerful, as we have seen recently. But that United Healthcare killer? He's going away for a loooong time.

Originally Posted by Planobilly
My guess is that for the most part, very few people will ever be prosecuted for lying about the use of AI.
Agreed. Some will be sued in civil court though. And that is still a legal matter. I doubt David was suggesting there will be criminal enforcement of AI usage.

Originally Posted by Planobilly
Somehow we need to come up with a better plan.
That "better plan" will almost certainly be corporations find a way to license and control AI and we plebes will be charged $14.99/month (or $19.99 if we bundle with the Disney channel!)

Originally Posted by Planobilly
About the idea that AI has effectively stolen words and music in huge amounts. Is there any possibility that statement is incorrect? ( I am not saying that statement is incorrect, just asking the question)
An interesting question but it seems kinda clear that if you take IP and then charge others for it, even if you rearranged it, you've prolly broken the law.

Originally Posted by Planobilly
I certainly did not anticipate the rabbet hole this thread has gone down...lol
It is an excellent conversation!

I hope David and Joanne and others weigh in again.