|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155
PG Music Staff
|
OP
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155 |
🌟 Breaking News! 🌟
We’re thrilled to announce that Rustyspoon has made PG history as the very first person to successfully complete the download and install of the full Band-in-a-Box 2025 Windows Audiophile Edition (with FLAC files)—a whopping 610GB of data! 🎶
A big shoutout to Rustyspoon for stepping up to be our test "elf!"
Thank you for your support, Rustyspoon!
Catherine
Last edited by Catherine; 12/16/24 01:17 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155
PG Music Staff
|
|
OP
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155 |
This is the new 2025 Audiophile Edition with the FLAC files.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 2,574
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 2,574 |
Misha, how long did the download take?
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055 |
Misha knows. He may wish to post the results but I think he’s testing to help PG Music.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,373
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,373 |
Bandcamp Soundcloud Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735 |
Catherine,
You making it sound like I was carrying these gigabytes on my shoulders all the way from beautiful Victoria, CA.
To those who might be interested. I've purchased my yearly upgrade, but asked for opportunity to test downloading entire Flac Audiophile version. Personally, I was interested to see if it's possible for someone like me, with very average.... actually below average connection, to complete this. To test integrity of downloaded files and fairly large installation. So here are the details:
My connection is 100mbps. Weekend traffic put it fluctuating between 45-65mbps.
I was given a special link for Download Manager that produced a list of 46 files.
Aside from program files, content were split averaging 20gb per package.
To check integrity of the process, I uninstalled all PGM and related software from my computer except for the Download manager.
Download took me about 30 hours with my relatively slow connection, that was slowed down even more by general weekend traffic and other daily internet activity of whole family.
After download was completed, I pressed big yellow button in D.Manager: "DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL ALL"... and to my surprise, installation went through without a single error.
I was downloading and installing on internal m.2 gen4 drive. Actual installation took less than 1 hour. Opened BIAB, pressed "rebuild" and it was ready to rock&roll. So far - no issues.
Not suitable for all, but definitely a viable option if you have your own media, want to save a few $ and/or want it faster. Definitely a good option to have looking at the future.
PGM, thank you for the opportunity.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155
PG Music Staff
|
|
OP
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155 |
A 30-hour download is no small task, but it sounds like everything went smoothly, which is fantastic to hear!
Thank you for sharing the details of your experience, including the download speed and the drive you installed it on—I'm sure this will be helpful to others.
We would also recommend installing to an SSD for faster performance and to save time.
Thank you!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 2,574
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 2,574 |
[quote=Rustyspoon# My connection is 100mbps. Weekend traffic put it fluctuating between 45-65mbps. Download took me about 30 hours with my relatively slow connection [/quote] Misha, from my perspective you do not have a relatively slow connection. My download speed via landline is roughly 17 Mbps. Per my calculations it would take greater than 3 days (assuming no interruptions) to download 610GB. Two years ago I downloaded the Ultrapak and it took over a day. Our local utility is promising "broadband speeds" using fiber some time in 2025 or 2026, until then snail mail is my solution for BiaB upgrades. Thanks for sharing your results, it gives me something to look forward to 
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 53
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 53 |
Question related:
If I bought the Audiophile 2024 to Audiophile 2025 downloadable, would I have access to the download of the whole Audiophile contents or only the 30GB?
I am really interested for a number of reasons:
1) Downloading ~0.6TB of data is OK for me. I've got a 1Gbps/line, and everything up to my computer is Gb Ethernet. When I am not limited by servers, I can download at full speed (means about 2 hours to download everything, I have downloaded a few sampling libraries from 50GB to 270GB from different vendors and it's OK). At this very moment I am installing Sounpaint's "Dunescape" (50GB), no issue, just a few minutes.
2) Buying BiaB in SSD means a physical purchase, it adds customs when bought from Europe (at least this happenede to me last year). Time and money... for nothing.
If the answer is "no", the next question is... Could I download the 30GB of new contents and batch-convert all the audio files in RealTracks and RealDrums folders to their .flac counterparts? Should this work when BiaB now can read both .wav and .flac versions? Or this possibility must be somehow "installed" so the new .flac files are really recognized as their .wav counterpart?
If the answer is "no"; then also I understand that the desciption of the long download by the original poster is just an experiment for a future option.
If downloading (or alternatively batch-converting) is OK, this new possibility could tip the scales to update my BiaB with the Audiophile version.
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,818
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,818 |
Congratulations on making PG Music history Misha. And you volunteered. I thought everybody knows never to volunteer. Excellent write-up regarding your download and install experience. Thank you for taking more than thirty hours of your life to become a guiding beacon for other users interested in Audiophile .downloads.
Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735 |
MoultiPass,
dude it's supposed to be funny. On the other hand, it was a successful test, showing that what was possible only by shipping of physical drive, now technically possible to obtain in a digital form by a person with average connection. I am not a hero, just a guinea pig, but I salute PGM for making this process, which includes transfer and installation of large chunk of data trouble free.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,327
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,327 |
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055 |
This is all very funny and an interesting thing to test, but I think it’s not needed.
Just buy the $199 audiophile update tiny SSD once to get ALL the past RealTracks in Flac files as well as the new ones. From now on (starting next year), all you will have to do is download the very much smaller update of only the new RealTracks. And you won’t be collecting hard drives anymore.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,327
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,327 |
Matt,
Separately, just for the purpose of the exercise, did you do a test with your blitz-speed internet connection at all?
I think the download option also saves a lot of EU folk the extra VAT costs.
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055 |
Trevor, I mentioned somewhere I would be happy to run a test using Gigabit Internet. Shouldn’t be too painful.
About the VAT, that was an important reason to develop the download solution but I thought I read that someone got charged based on the retail value of the download - something like that - and downloading the product did not save what they thought it might. That could be wrong and I would appreciate a better explanation from someone who lives in the EU.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 41
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 41 |
Hi Matt, speaking from a UK perspective, I got charged 20% VAT on the retail cost of this year's upgrade. The charge is applied when purchasing. This happens on all my purchases from US vendors for software and subscriptions.
BIAB 2025 Ultrapak, Mixcraft Pro 10.5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 438
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 438 |
I don't think the download has anything to do with it (VAT or not VAT).
In my experience (I am in EU) it is baset on the value of the purchased goods itself and your registered address/country in the BIAB account.
This is then used by the payment service provider to add the correct VAT for that specific country (for some counties VAT could be 25%)
(I guess that's the reason why there were no VAT added before when payed, I guess directly to PGMusic, but later on changed when they switched over to an external payment service).
Nowadays it is the same for most online shopping sites (at least for the larger on-line shops).
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 53
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 53 |
In my case (Spain) it is VAT (21%) over the whole price PLUS Customs fees on the value of the physical media (thankfully PGMusic made clear in their export documentation that the physical goods crossing the border had a relatively small value!). Then Customs did not charge anything but a small fee "for handling" (inspecting) the physical parcel, if I remember correctly. This is not always the case, this is very unpredictable. At the end it is full VAT + extra costs + 3 or 4 extra days (it can be 2 or 20 in my expience with other imported goods) + never being totally sure if I'll ever receive the hard drive or not, when at at which total cost. The risk is that if for ANY reason Customs decide that I have to pay a premium, I cannot return my purchase. It happened to me with some goods that I sent to myself from UK to Spain when moving out! So I was very glad when this morning I saw THIS (I am not totally sure it was available one week ago): ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29481&filename=kkkk.jpg) This means I will not be forced to receive an IMPORTED physical drive to update or upgrade (or to buy from a retailer... a FULL Audiophile version at full price in an European retailer). I can just download. If PGmusic servers are not the bottleneck, downloading everything can be done in a couple of hours with my home-office connection. I've already downloaded sampling libraries with similar sizes (280GB in less than 1 hour). For future years there is a new option on the table: The difference between Audiophile "plus" (only new content) or Audiophile "upgrade" (all content in FLAC, new contents from 2 or more years plus older contents for 299$). This means the normalization of using downloads for Audiophile. Having the option cannot be bad.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055 |
Thanks for the info but I think I’m more confused now than I was before.
I also just learned that the VAT % differs by country. [Im not being critical; in my own state of New York, people drive to different counties to save a percent on sales tax. Totally silly situation but it’s real money on a large purchase.]
Parapnte, good observation! I think the $299 audiophile download is indeed newly added, I suppose as a result of Rustyspoon’s successful test. I note that the $149 download upgrade and $199 SSD audiophile upgrade options both say Limited Time availability. We won’t know if that’s temporary for technical changes, or part of the normal post-release discounts, until we see our options a year from now.
PatrickS, about your upgrade: did you download it, or did you get shipped a package? And in case it wasn’t apparent, PG Music is in Victoria, British Columbia Canada. Same tax though, yes?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155
PG Music Staff
|
|
OP
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155 |
Hello!
Yes, looking into various download package options right now. I will update you shortly!
Thank you!
Catherine
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,492
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 2,492 |
I also just learned that the VAT % differs by country. It can and often is worse than that ... there can different rates within the same country, depending upon the Government's or tax authorities perception of the goods, for example in the UK, food, educational goods and publications are zero rated. But some 'luxury foods' are not classed as foods and get 20%. Fruit juice is a food, but a smoothie is classed a 'luxury' item and is taxed at 20%. "Go figure" is the expression that comes to mind. It's also liable on every transfer of goods, B2B or retail. Larger businesses claim it back on purchases and have to charge it again on sales. I'd hoped that when the UK left the EU we'd be willing to dump VAT, but I rather doubt that will ever happen.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful.
AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11
BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software.
Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735 |
Here is another specific use cases for purchasing downloadable version.
Unlike spinner hard drives shipped prior years, which you can in theory open case and install as internal drives, newly shipped drives have proprietary form factor and can not be used internally. So if your plan is to install full Audiophile on internal drive and you have a fast internet, why not save on the price difference (Downloadable vs HD shipped) and buy yourself a hard drive that will fit your computer / needs, unless of course you already have one, which makes the option even more attractive?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 2,574
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 2,574 |
I hope that all that can be done is being done to help our brothers and sisters across the pond.
It appears they deal with challenges and costs that folks in the States don't deal with.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155
PG Music Staff
|
|
OP
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 155 |
Hello,
Great idea.
We have added an option for those who have the 2024 Audiophile, but want to upgrade to a downloadable version of the Audiophile Edition with all FLAC files for the RealTracks/RealDrums.
Reminder, this is abut 610GB of data.
Thank you!
Catherine
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,327
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,327 |
...
I think the download option also saves a lot of EU folk the extra VAT costs. I was referring to the reduced total purchase price if the SSD wasn't required. The VAT costs would only be on the software, and not including hardware.
BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 41
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 41 |
Yes, it was a download and I should have added Canada as also being also the same for VAT rates.
BIAB 2025 Ultrapak, Mixcraft Pro 10.5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 53
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 53 |
I've been self indulgent, didn't stick to my word, concentrated on the possibility to use the 30 day money-back guarantee and... I finally bought the downloadable version of full Audiophile 2025 (from Audiophile 2024). ($169 option in the table).
My download is limited on PG's end, not at home, but it is quite fast. 400...700Mbps most of the time. I already downloaded and installed 42% in less than 2 hours. I did not have any interrupted or failing download, I set 12 parallel downloads in a different drive and it seems to work quite well. I set a different drive because I install to a fast HDD, and de-compressing and downloading on the same drive was limiting speed. I did not have to check "download / install sequentially".
Now it says 48%, ETA fluctuating between 1h - 2h. If total time ended up being 3:30, effective average speed would be 386Mbps (48MBPS). So it is practical and effective, at least from Europe at this time of the day.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
I can't even imagine....
The best affordable Internet I can get is 20mb DSL. That, assuming it would even finish, would be a week for me.
I'm willing to pay for the hard drive delivery by FedEx. It's quicker.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735 |
Median home internet United States is 274.16.
Herb, you are getting robbed.
The download above was done at 100mb max, averaging at about 70mb (!) That was the point of the test, to see if this fairly large download could be done without issues with below average speeds.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 23,266
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 23,266 |
Misha, "DSL (Digital Subscriber Line) is a family of technologies used to transmit digital data over telephone lines. It is a type of broadband internet that allows users to be on the phone while using the internet". My brother has it. It is the less expensive way to connect to the Internet but it is also the slowest.
I got banned from Weight Watchers for dropping a bag of M&Ms on the floor.
It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
Misha, "DSL (Digital Subscriber Line) is a family of technologies used to transmit digital data over telephone lines. It is a type of broadband internet that allows users to be on the phone while using the internet". My brother has it. It is the less expensive way to connect to the Internet but it is also the slowest. And it's the only option here. I'm in the woods and don't want to pay the high cost for satellite, starlink, or cellphone hotspot. It was DSL or spectrum cable. Spectrum wanted $12,000 up front to run the cable from the road to my house. We're quite a distance from the road. Something slightly north of 1000 ft. The DSL company charged their normal $50 installation. We stream Internet, streaming TV, a couple of computers, and smart phones, plus 2 magic jack phones on WiFi without any problems. And very low monthly.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,791
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,791 |
Herb will be the last man standing after the zombie apocalypse! Our fast internet won't save us!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 6,735 |
Mario, I used to have DSL as an upgrade from dial-up, I know exactly what it is. Imagine downloading Audiophile through dial up... That would qualify for Guinness Book entry Herb, I feel your pain. A good friend lives in upstate NY. Same deal, company wants 10k upfront to throw a line. They promised to eventually do it for "free". Had been 20+ years T-mobile has $50 flat monthly 5G internet with free modem. I know speeds can be choppy in sticks. I live remotely too, but other friends who live nearby got that T-mobile modem - no complaints. From the top of my head, I think average speed is about 150mb. They watch movies and even have Voip phone line through that modem.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
Herb, I feel your pain. A good friend lives in upstate NY. Same deal, company wants 10k upfront to throw a line. They promised to eventually do it for "free". Had been 20+ years T-mobile has $50 flat monthly 5G internet with free modem. I know speeds can be choppy in sticks. I live remotely too, but other friends who live nearby got that T-mobile modem - no complaints. From the top of my head, I think average speed is about 150mb. They watch movies and even have Voip phone line through that modem. I might have to investigate the T-Mobile deal. As long as it's a permanent price, and not just an introductory promotion price ... That's what I'm paying now with a guarantee that it will remain the same..... Until the company gets sold.... I'm sure they have a loophole in the deal but it's not under contract so I can jump around as needed.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,370 |
Mesha, I just went to the T-Mobile website. I entered my address and.... This service is not available for my address. They have a "lite" service with data caps.... Since the TV is on practically all day.... My wife likes to watch or just have it as background noise ... I'm sure we'd hit the data caps quickly.
Reckon I will be on DSL for a while longer.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,826
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,826 |
I can't even imagine....
The best affordable Internet I can get is 20mb DSL. That, assuming it would even finish, would be a week for me.
I'm willing to pay for the hard drive delivery by FedEx. It's quicker. Oh yeah.. and I thought that my DSL was slow at 94.9Mbps download. I live in the middle of the Silicon Valley—optical nearly everywhere else but not my neighborhood. The worst of it is that I am bombarded by telemarketers trying to sell me optical that is unavailable. As for downloading, Komplete Collector's Edition takes about 30 hours to download and install. It's about 1/3 the size of BIAB Audiophile—so three–four days or so is my best guess.
BIAB 2024 Audiophile Mac
24Core/60CoreGPU M2 MacStudioUltra/8TB/192GB Sequoia, M1 MBAir, 2012 MBP
Digital Performer11, LogicPro, Finale27/Dorico/Encore/SmartScorePro64/Notion6 /Overture5
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,055 |
Herb, I recently cut cable tv and am doing streaming tv. I have two buildings and didn’t want to run Ethernet between them so I use a mesh router.
To get to the point, I had thought I was going to have to use a WiFi transmitter/receiver but the mesh router went the 100’
Your 1,000’ is well with the rated range of these WiFi transmitters and I found some for under a few hundred bucks. Is there a possibility of having Spectrum and your power company wire up a doghouse/barn/shed-whatever on the main road, then transmitting 400 MB internet to your house?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
Join the conversation on our forum.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums58
Topics84,379
Posts778,451
Members39,633
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29477&filename=2024-12-18_18-11-57.jpg)
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean