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The type of situation shouldn't occur, of course, but the real world, deadlines, oversights and so on mean that it can and does happen. It does demonstrate the complexity of testing when one has to consider a number of different variables and their permutations. The nuber of things to test can go sky high. At least BiaB and the plugin are unlikely to kill anyone. Anyone tried the same thing with RB? I suspect that's OK, but...
I have some sympathy with them, even though lots of the complexity is self-inflicted. In addition to what you've said, Gordon, I'd also like to point out that the PG Music team worked tirelessly throughout beta testing. I honestly don't know when they got to sleep. At the end of the day, everyone is human and being human means that there is always an "in hindsight" component to everything that is done. None of us see with absolute clarity until we look at things in review. That's why the lessons learned from debriefs are so important. Sometimes, for whatever reason, it is easy to overlook things (even things that some might think are obvious). Just recently, a person on this forum asked about using the Juke Box with the MIDI Melodist. Most BIAB users have probably not engaged this option in the Melodist dialogue window. I knew where to find it, but it was the first time that I had used it. It turns out that in migrating the Melodist to the MultiPicker Library (MPL), something happened that stopped the Juke Box in the non-MPL window from working. I'm sure that PG Music didn't break this feature, nor leave it broken on purpose. It wasn't until this particular user, for whom the Juke Box feature in the Melodist is an important creative tool, tested it and discovered it wasn't working properly, that the problem was discovered. None of the beta testers, including me, discovered this even though a great deal of effort went into beta testing. --Noel
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None of the beta testers, including me, discovered this even though a great deal of effort went into beta testing. I have no doubt and this particular issue is one that it's easy to see can slip through without being noticed. I wouldn't pretend similar has never happened to me, because it certainly has! I commented somewhere else recently about programs that sanity-check their own behaviour, saying that I had a bit of a love/hate relationship with the principle. Love because it can trap mistakes, corruptions, aggressors; hate becasue every line of sanity checking has itself the potential to cause a problem. Mistakes, corruptions and aggression can happen to them, too. It's tough getting the balance right, particularly when the risk of problems rises as an exponent of the amount of code. That is, though, one of the reasons I think the applications would benefit from fewer new bits and better rationalisation of what already exists. Exponents can be scary things.
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...At the same time, Rusty's experiment was a real success, and since he doesn't use the plugin, the error could not have been detected... Yes Biab users need to help develop the Plugin more, they should not knock things just because Reaper is mentioned, but look into these things mentioned, try them out, learn from them to help improve PG products for the future. If you use the Plugin in Reaper you can use any audio format you like as I have shown, flac is nothing new. As I said get rid of the wma for m4a and you will now have a crossplatform audio format flac-m4a for Win & Mac. By trying it with Reaper it has now developed into a play direct Plugin, this allows now for it to be developed further to give non destructive editing in ANY DAW. not to mention a Live Arranger !
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...At the same time, Rusty's experiment was a real success, and since he doesn't use the plugin, the error could not have been detected... Yes Biab users need to help develop the Plugin more, they should not knock things just because Reaper is mentioned, but look into these things mentioned, try them out, learn from them to help improve PG products for the future. If you use the Plugin in Reaper you can use any audio format you like as I have shown, flac is nothing new. As I said get rid of the wma for m4a and you will now have a crossplatform audio format flac-m4a for Win & Mac. By trying it with Reaper it has now developed into a play direct Plugin, this allows now for it to be developed further to give non destructive editing in ANY DAW. not to mention a Live Arranger !By "Live Arranger" do you mean that I could load up a style (or any combo or RTs, RDs, and MIDI tracks), and route a MIDI track to the plugin, or play chords from a MIDI keyboard, and have it play those chords in realtime? It's extremely frustrating that the plugin does not have any documentation! 
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You can try it in Reaper, in the Plugin In Preferences>Rendering disable "Generate Audio for Midi.." and disable "Generate Style Mix" and use WAV instructions only, in Reaper enable smooth seek. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29437&filename=Reaper-Region-BBPlugin-Player.gif) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29630&filename=Reaper-Smooth-Seek.png)
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Thanks Musocity, I'll give this a try :-)
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You can try it in Reaper, in the Plugin In Preferences>Rendering disable "Generate Audio for Midi.." and disable "Generate Style Mix" and use WAV instructions only, in Reaper enable smooth seek. I don't understand. How are you routing this? Where is the MIDI coming from?
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I'm just manually changing regions by clicking timeline. To use midi chord input you need to use: ReaTrak midi chord input to region chord player.zip (green Help button at bottom) To set the region color use this script: ReaTrak-instant-trak-creator-gui.zip You can try if if you don't mind a challenge or just wait for PG to put a midi chord detection element in the Plugin Standalone (just like Biab Window>MIDI Chord Detection). It's just a proof of concept example. Just another example of using Reaper (that many complain about) to improve PG products. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29646&filename=Reaper-Chord-Input-Region.gif)
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Ah, I see.
Thanks for the clarification!
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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