The new tempo matching feature introduced this year is a total failure for me. And I had so much hope for it. I tend to find projects where tempo is variable (intentionally or not) and a tempo map is needed. Yet no one in the forums has even made a mention of this feature. I can only assume it has not yet been used!
Could some one with Reaper please try to sych a tempo map in Reaper with the BIAB VST and report your findings?
BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud (Tip: No need to create a SC account to hear music - just hit ESC ).
Hi Dan, I did mention this feature when it first released and it does work in Studio One. I cannot verify for Reaper because I have not used that in a long while and I only had version 2 or 3 I think. However, I really think they need an updated video tutorial as it took me a while to figure it out.
It says it offers fast, ".WAV-less" generation but I can't figure that one out because it always creates wave files in the BBplugin folder. I suppose I am missing something?
BIAB 2025 Ultrapack- Studio One Pro 7 Windows 11, Mac Mini M4 with Logic Pro 11, Melodyne Studio
The 2025 version will follow any tempo map. It won't render any wav's if you go through the preferences, In the Plugin In Preferences>Rendering disable "Generate Audio for Midi.." and disable "Generate Style Mix" and use WAV instructions only
Thanks Musocity, but you are wrong. It does not work - starts out fine, indicators show tempo map following the DAW but by the middle of the song it all just starts wobbeling and goes to crap. Works fine if I remove the tempo map.
I can send a video and the Reaper files if you want. But this has not worked for me since day 1.
Last edited by DrDan; 01/03/2506:24 PM.
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Sorry, I though it was the old post before the 2025 version release Can the BIAB-VST follow a Tempo Map in Reaper? But if it's not working on the 2025 I'll take your word for it as I have not tried that out. It's a bugger when you have to wait a year each time for things, I wasn't suppose to be back this time around so I don't know if I'll still be here to see it all finally working If I'm not here someone else will have to take over the nagging !
What it will do now in v7 is when you send the tracks from the Plugin to Reaper, the track items will follow tempo changes, it never did that in v6.
EDIT: further, it's not actually fitting correctly as there are no stretch markers put in the items, but the bottom track is put in with the script I made and it fits correctly with stretch markers:
I give you credit for finding a workaround based on the reascripts, but this is a fix in Reaper, not in the BIAB-VST. If this Reaper fix is necessary there is no way the BIAB-VST can claim it is synching with the DAW tempo map! Thanks for acknowledging what no one else has been able to or have cared to address.
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Seamless Tempo Stretching – Always in Sync Whether you’re speeding up or slowing down, our advanced tempo stretching keeps your tracks perfectly synchronized. No tempo maps? No problem! Enjoy smooth transitions across any tempo changes in your DAW.
BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud (Tip: No need to create a SC account to hear music - just hit ESC ).
Well by that statement there it sounds like it should all work perfectly as it should be using the Elastique Pro dll to stretch/shrink on the fly, maybe the Al Gore Rhythm needs tweaking ? Even if that gets fixed you want the items to also sync up to the tempo map when you send the tracks into Reaper.
Confirmed, the midi DAW synced play back from the BB Plugin is not following the DAW, playing from the SavedTracks folder or sending to DAW, as stated by Mario also.
The new tempo matching feature introduced this year is a total failure for me. And I had so much hope for it. I tend to find projects where tempo is variable (intentionally or not) and a tempo map is needed. Yet no one in the forums has even made a mention of this feature. I can only assume it has not yet been used!
Could some one with Reaper please try to sych a tempo map in Reaper with the BIAB VST and report your findings?
Tempo sync works fine for us in Reaper and in other DAWs. What style are you using?
Originally Posted by musocity
Confirmed, the midi DAW synced play back from the BB Plugin is not following the DAW, playing from the SavedTracks folder or sending to DAW, as stated by Mario also.
We have identified an issue with MIDI playback syncing and hope to have it fixed shortly.
Edit - Simon and I happened to post at the same, I'll leave my reply as there are a few more details
Hi Dan,
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The new tempo matching feature introduced this year is a total failure for me. And I had so much hope for it. I tend to find projects where tempo is variable (intentionally or not) and a tempo map is needed. Yet no one in the forums has even made a mention of this feature. I can only assume it has not yet been used!
Actually the tempo map has worked flawlessly in my testing. However, we have identified an issue related to small buffer sizes in the DAW that may be the source of the problem you are reporting. This will be addressed in the upcoming new build of the plugin. We'll email you when it's available.
There is another topic regarding the temp map, which is that if you are routing MIDI to an embedded synth or to the DAW, and have Sync Playback selected (see screenshot attached, DAW Settings), the tempo changes are not followed. I don't think this is the problem you are describing and it is not a very common setting. However, I am just mentioning that we have working on a solution for this.
Hi Brian,
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I really think they need an updated video tutorial as it took me a while to figure it out
Agreed, we are working on updated video tutorials and documentation, should be available soon.
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It says it offers fast, ".WAV-less" generation but I can't figure that one out because it always creates wave files in the BBplugin folder. I suppose I am missing something?
Possibly - look at the Generation Options menu (Drop-down menu from the Generate button). You would need to have "wave instructions" selected there. See screenshot attached. There is one exception though, with MIDI tracks.... Unless you are routing MIDI to the DAW or an embedded synth, it needs to have wave files to play them. There is a preference for that in the Render preferences - see screenshots attached. "Generate Audio for MIDI-only styles"
Last edited by Andrew - PG Music; 01/09/2502:44 PM.
Actually the tempo map has worked flawlessly in my testing. However, we have identified an issue related to small buffer sizes in the DAW that may be the source of the problem you are reporting. This will be addressed in the upcoming new build of the plugin. We'll email you when it's available.
I reported earlier that raising my ASIO buffer from 256 (my normal operation) to 1024 made a big difference in the tempo matching to the map. I have moved on to another project which doesn't require the tempo map so it will be a while till I get back to test more of this. I look forward to any additional fixes you folks can arrange. The 1024 if a bit large for my general recording purposes.
BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud (Tip: No need to create a SC account to hear music - just hit ESC ).
Andrew and Simon ? that means Adar must be on holidays, he deserves it after all the work he put in the get direct play working ! huge leap forward for PG. I remember the day it was first released, you had to go get a cup of coffee (and drink it) while it generated.
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