robertw

you make good points re combining features of bb/plugin/rb.
ive said for a long time it must be confuseing for example for new users that for example rb and bb are different in various ways as youve found out.

lets take bb new tracks view as one example.

i really like that pg did the new tracks view...
however for a new user it possibly is difficult to understand why in rb the rb tracks view not only 'looks different' from bb but also has lots of editing features built in that arent in bb tracks view.
and there are many many other differences tween not just bb and rb but also re the bb plugin...the latter which ive tried to love but keep on going back to rb for many reasons.

what i sense from an overview perspective is there are various user groups within the pg user community spanning the world that pg are trying to make happy...follow my logic please...

1..some want full steam ahead re the plugin to feed their daws.
ie like a food waiter in a restaurant.
2..some want the fab new bb tracks view and bb to have more daw features.
3..some dont want more daw features in bb.
4..some want bb to stay the same because they really dont to learn a new way of doing things.
for example maybe they dont want bb mixer to look like the rb one.
and there are many other viewpoints...not just re the gui.

the problem from a developers perspective is how to keep everybody happy takeing into account all the diverse opinions in the user base.
a salient example might be for those users that want bb to be more daw like have a 'turn these features on' feature and for those users who dont want more daw like features an option to 'turn off those features'.

in summary if pg try to keep all the diverse users happy it could turn into a maintenance nightmare. (been there done that.).
lets not forget pg also offers their apps in different languages...a further complication. some music apps dont have this added complication...
they offer one language only....it simplifies things.

i feel frankly there are no perfect solutions...includeing gui's.
lets also remember that only a fraction of pg's world user base probably are on these forums regularly. thus a possibility is the 'silent ones' might not agree with anything agreed on these forums between regular forum users.
we had the same problem in industry...even though we got very active powerfull user groups to agree and sign off on new features (after many battle royals and politicking...lol.)..then we had to contend with unhappiness from user groups not involved in design of new features. the 'silent ones' sometimes didnt like the new way of doing things...so more use squabbles occurred.

robertw...great ideas BUT what is the possibility that all pg users would actually be happy with integration of the various pg apps (bb/rb/plugin etc)....or would there be great complaining ?? therein lies the rub.
one reason i like your idea is that i'm tired of flitting tween various music apps (eg for many years flitting tween bb AND rb AND reaper.).
(robertw...the reason i like rb tracks view is because i can accomplish so much with it without flitting to another app....which drives me nuts as i spend lots of time tranferring tracks between the 3 apps.).

Rusty.

maybe you think i'm a 'suck up'...lol. but this isnt true..all i'm trying to make people aware of is a developers perspective and how very difficult it is for a developer to keep a user base all over the world happy. thats all.
a good way to see if i'm correct in my observations re user groups is i'll throw out a challenge...
have a core group of pg users come up with a groovy new gui philosophy and approach the core group is happy with.
now invite comments from anyone who wants to chime in.
and see if concensus can be reached with the wider pg user community.
honestly Rusty i'm not trying to be a pain in the proverbial...
its just its SOOO difficult to achieve user concensus often.
its the old 'not invented here' syndrome.

to be fair to pg also in some ways it makes sense re how things are currently ie seperately bb and the plugin and rb....
rather than one 'massive' app.
in industry we often found compartmenting apps easier to deal with.

just my 2 cents.

om

Last edited by justanoldmuso; 01/08/25 02:22 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..)
https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs
(90 songs created useing bb/rb)
(lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)